Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Valdrin Azemi


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus is that the sources present and available do not meet GNG, and that NFOOTBALL has not been attained. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 02:38, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Valdrin Azemi

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Footballer who fails GNG and NFOOTY. --BlameRuiner (talk) 16:34, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 16:41, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kosovo-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 16:42, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:45, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 21:40, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep A professional footballer. The article got 6 references and meet WP:NFOOTY as he has played in competitive games. Thanks. Jamalahmadpk (talk) 12:44, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - 2 references added. I have also updated the International career section with reference.Afzlfc (talk) 14:25, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * To both of the above, the number of references is not the relevant point here. An article could have over 20 references and still fail WP:GNG. Please be careful not to WP:REFBOMB as this can be unhelpful. I've noticed that almost all of the references repeat the same content over and over again. The sentences which translate to Born in Finland but playing a few matches in the Kosovo youth national team, Azemi played in the ranks of Nordvärmlands FF in Sweden last season. Azemi was with the MP of the second week and played less than 80 minutes against Ilves in the Go On Cup. are repeated in all of the following 'independent' sources: MSN, Lansi Savo, Pallo TV and MP. Unless somebody can find better sources, I am leaning towards deletion here as articles copied and pasted across different websites should only count as one article for the purpose of assessing notability. I also disagree with the suggestion that he meets WP:NFOOTBALL as he has only played in the lower tiers of Finland and Slovenia which are not featured in WP:FPL. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:45, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback. So we can assume that Lansi Savo,Pallo TV and MP copied from MSN right? But MSN is a highly notable source so even if we remove Lansi Savo,Pallo TV and MP still we can use still use MSN as a notable reference. Also if you check then most of the pages created about players from lesser known leagues contain hardly one or two sources (that too not notable sources) because these leagues are not popular like La Liga, Bundesliga or English Premier League. So if we have to delete pages just because they have one or two references then based on this criteria, majority of the Wikipedia pages will be deleted. You also mentioned that you disagree with the suggestion that he meets WP:NFOOTBALL as the leagues he played in are not featured in WP:FPL. I have checked the WP:FPL list and being a hardcore football fan, I think this list needs major upgrade because WP:FPL mentioned the definition that "fully professional league" is the one where virtually all the adult players are paid a salary that they can live on and do not need additional sources of income. So based on this definition, Ykkonen league (2nd tier) league of Finland should be included in the WP:FPL list too because Finland's both of the top two leagues Veikkausliiga and Ykkonen are single national leagues. Infact a few years ago, Finnish football also brought minimum wages for the footballers so Veikkausliiga and Ykkonen are now professional leagues where all the players get salary and they don't need additional source of income. Thanks. Afzlfc (talk) 14:40, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * If you can provide a reliable source for Ykkonen being fully pro and present it at WT:FPL then it would be really helpful for our community. Thanks. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:34, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * The reason I stated that he meets WP:NFOOTY is that although Ykkonen is the second highest level of the Finnish football league system (after Veikkausliiga) but Ykkonen is infact the highest league managed by the Football Association of Finland. Because Veikkausliiga is organized by a distinct organisation which is also mentioned in the Wikipedia page of Veikkausliiga. Jamalahmadpk (talk) 18:17, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * This should be discussed at WT:FPL, not here. Until the consensus is reached and the league promoted to FPL, the arguments displayed here are irrelevant to player's notability. As of right now, he fails NFOOTY. would you cast your vote properly here? --BlameRuiner (talk) 06:37, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback and I will be happy to make contributions to the WP:FPL list once I get some free time from the personal life. Just a quick query, I assume that for footballers, meeting NFOOTY is more important than GNG right? because I viewed a few of the articles created by you and other editors which hardly contains one or two references and that too from some generic stats sites or interviews. Thanks. Jamalahmadpk (talk) 10:56, 26 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete - has not played in a league listed at WP:FPL, failing WP:NFOOTBALL. With, at best, one source MSN showing more than a passing mention, with the rest just being carbon copies of that source, does not have the multiple sources showing significant coverage, failing WP:GNG. If someone finds something significant when searching in Finnish or Kosovan sources then please ping me. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 07:54, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete we lack the level of quality sources that provide coverage that has depth needed to pass GNG.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:05, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - not enough in-depth coverage to pass GNG, and does not meet NFOOTY.  Onel 5969  TT me 16:12, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment I'll refrain from !voting because I'm not sufficiently familiar with the sports WP:SNGs, but the sourcing is far from great. Ref [1] is MSN with no byline, citing the football club as the "source". I believe this is just regurgitating a press release. Ref [2] is a well-established if somewhat local Finnish newspaper. Ref [3] is a sports website, which calls for (transl.) "we ask clubs to send as all [news] that you believe would interest football enthusiasts or better your image.", so I'll assume this too is just regurgitating a press release. Ref [4] is a stats website. Refs [5], [6] and [7] are club websites and thus not independent. Ref [8] looks like a news site, but the article byline indicates this is simply a press release by the player's agency. All told, one good ref (the Länsi-Savo piece) a few unclear ones that appear to be just press release regurgitation (MSN, PalloTV, Futtpro) and then a bunch that are completely non-independent. -Ljleppan (talk) 08:27, 26 February 2022 (UTC)


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