Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Valentine Marshall


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The findings here show promising results and the article has the potential to be improved. (non-admin closure)  Ya  sh  !   06:15, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Valentine Marshall

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Cannot find any sources regarding this individual (some hits on books, but appear to be mirrors of this wiki article). Would definitely withdraw nomination if any credible sources can be provided, but article has remained unreferenced since 2009.  Onel 5969  TT me 02:08, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
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 *  Delete  I was unable to find any coverage in reliable sources, though there are mirrors of this article online. The article was created in a single edit in 2009, and that was the only thing that editor ever did. I suspect a hoax, but will be happy to change my mind if reliable sources emerge. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  02:57, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I withdraw my recommendation to delete. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  21:00, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Commment: I am finding some mention of him in the press here, where there was an exhibition centered around him. However if there is reason to believe that this is a hoax, we'll need something in a more authoritative source, like an academic text. It wouldn't be the first time someone's tried to hoax us and ended up gaining some coverage in the media claiming it was real. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  03:35, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Also mention of him here, or at least this is likely to have been him. I hate to be suspicious but after stuff like this I can't help but be a little skeptical when we have someone with a historical claim that has only really received recent notice in the media. There's really no paper trail for this person and normally if someone is of historical significance there'd be something out there, especially a mention here or there in a trusted academic source-type setting, even if it was brief. Other than the book mention (which as the Atlantic article can tell you, can be faked) I can't really find anything that isn't terribly recent. I'll hold off making a definitive judgement just yet, though. Maybe someone else can find something? Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  03:43, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, uncovering a little more with mentions here and here. Both of these pre-date the article, so the more of these we can find, the better since while these may not necessarily show notability, more sourcing means that he likely did exist. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  03:53, 17 October 2015 (UTC)


 * KEEP Probable keep''' This is interesting.  His name is scratched into the wall of a prison in Tasmania. From a source with which I am not familiar. E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:39, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Here we go: There is an enduring fascination with these transported convicts, one which I entirely understand. I searched using his name + Colwick as a keyword.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:42, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * More details here: .E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:46, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Justificaiton for keeping is the enduring interest, manifested both by the fact that his release from Tasmania to the Australian mainland was covered back home in the Nottingham paper, and the fact that 2 centuries later, there was a museum exhibition about him.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:48, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 15:05, 25 October 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete while the findings above show that he existed, there isn't much to show notability nor any article to mention him in. The riots he was charged for appear to only have a sentence in Reform Act 1832 if that is the correct one and I don't think there is a separate article for the Nottingham riots. The two news sources are local from the places he is most connected with (Nottingham and Hobart). has more details about the event but it says it was submitted by a descendant of Thomas Whittaker, there does not seem to be an article on him either. May be important as a part of local history but not for Wikipedia. Rainbow unicorn (talk) 18:59, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep, passes WP:GNG since he's discussed in several different reliable sources, including at least one historical journal that covers Australian studies, and his life continues to be explored in historical exhibitions, as other editors have noted.  I've added some references to the article.  ABF99 (talk) 03:29, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  19:27, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree with ABF99 that this passes WP:GNG. -- MurderByDeadcopy  <sup style="color:Black;">"bang!"  00:28, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. Valid, sourced, notable issue.--BabbaQ (talk) 11:29, 6 November 2015 (UTC)


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