Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Valery Fedorenko


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The result was   incubate. Skomorokh, barbarian  02:48, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Valery Fedorenko

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Notability not established. No reliable sources stated, and none seem to exist looking on Google. The only sources provided are Youtube videos, a US military site which doesn't even mention him, and what I presume is the subject's own website. He may be good at lifting kettlebells, but it's a minor sport. Stu  ’Bout ye!  08:42, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi. Well, minor or not, it is an established sport with a big history. It's just new to the USA. The Youtube videos are actual (1992) footage of what it takes to achieve the Soviet Sport Rank, such as Master of Sport in the Soviet Unified System. It is also footage of his Champion Performance and Record Breaking lifts. The Air Force article is a reference to the study, not him. The proposed official study would be studying his methods. The picture used for him was taken from the US Air Force, so it must be true. I hope we can get some additional resources from others as well. Hopefully some will post them soon! Google is not the last word on who someone is, but he does have a lot of possible reference there I see. I'll look into it. Anyway, is Youtube footage of his actual 2006 reps at the Arnold Classic suitable as proof? World Kettlebell (talk) 06:47, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tim Song (talk) 00:10, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Comment Most of the GHits on the name in Russian are for an unrelated businessman, but there's a few mentions of him in Kyrgyzstan media like which confirms the basic outline: he lives in America and has some weightlifting world records (the one they metnion there is in 63-kilogram "снаряда" --- shells?? my Russian and my knowledge of pro weightlifting ain't so great, so don't ask me). Don't know whether this qualifies him under WP:ATHLETE. cab (talk) 05:30, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * In reply to World Kettlebell (WP:COI?) Youtube videos are generally not acceptable as sources on Wikipedia, see WP:Youtube and WP:LTA. If there are further sources that confirm his notability, then great. But there are none at the minute, so the article fails both WP:N and WP:V. Stu   ’Bout ye!  14:11, 27 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions.  cab (talk) 02:54, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Kyrgyzstan-related deletion discussions.  cab (talk) 02:54, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, Stu, I am sure there are newspaper articles of him in New York, Moscow (with 3 million Distribution) and maybe some in his home country. There is also a classification number for him i the Soviet Sports System like Master of Sports, World Class Master of Sport and Honored Master of Sport. I will try to get those. I will agree with you that not all his Youtube videos should referenced or are legit for reference, but the two "old footage" videos are actual 1992 World Championship and Record Breaking performances. While not maybe enough on their own, I think they should stay. I think the article should stay and be improved on. It is very new. I think it has potential. I will work on it and hopefully others will too. World Kettlebell (talk) 00:02, 29 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment: There are a very few mentions of him in U.S. media too like : "Popular with U.S. strongmen in the first half of the 20th century, kettlebells have made a comeback in this country led by the promotions of Pavel Tsatsouline and Valery Fedorenko.", and . But they don't go into any detail about him, just a bare mention. cab (talk) 00:37, 29 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Userfy or move to Article Incubator Borderline notability as far as I can tell, but I think that User:World Kettleball ought to have a shot at finding reliable sources for the article. Therefore, I suggest userfying the article for now and possibly returning it to the mainspace at a later date. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 02:52, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Better yet, how about Article incubator? cab (talk) 03:01, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Sounds like a great idea. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 03:13, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'd support that. Hadn't heard about the incubator until now, good idea. Stu   ’Bout ye!  09:36, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

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 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Incubate, per the talented, brilliant, tall dark and handsome editor who came up with that fantastic suggestion a few lines up. cab (talk) 00:35, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Incubate. Don't see any need to relist this. But agree with (the highly talented) cab again. Stu   ’Bout ye!  09:14, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * KEEP I have done some research and it seems that this chap is a world champion.Kettlebell Heroes: Valery Fedorenko —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr Real Natural (talk • contribs) 04:37, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I have to confess that I have never heard of Kettlebell until now. It just goes to show what one can learn from Wikipedia and how certain things that seem obscure only seem that way because one side of the world doesn't know so much about the other.(Mr Real Natural (talk) 04:44, 13 November 2009 (UTC))
 * Incubate to Article Incubator/Valery Fedorenko The article currently does not meet Wikipedia's notability standards, and I have found little coverage in reliable sources Google News Archive. The source provided by Mr Real Natural is to a primary source; primary sources do not establish notability. Cunard (talk) 20:31, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


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