Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Valiya Chenam


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Stifle (talk) 15:35, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Valiya Chenam

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Non-notable place. I found absolutely no reliable sources. The only things I found were Wikipedia mirrors. I don't even think this place exists at all. It has not been recognized by any reliable source. 🌴Koridas🌴 (Negotiate) 22:10, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. 🌴Koridas🌴 (Negotiate) 22:10, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. North America1000 02:44, 16 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge to Paralam, in which this is located . The Indian census lists Paralam in the "Village Directory of Thrissur District,Kerala", but not Valiya Chenam or Chenam so it does not meet GEOLAND as recognized. Reywas92Talk 17:07, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: Chenam is a village within the Paralam Panchayat, it is not the same as village of Paralam (which also lies in the panchayat, see also Venginissery which notes Chenam's existence).  Here's a map showing Chenam which I excerpted from the Thrissur district website .  This article was created in 2006 as "Valiya Chenam" and at some point was changed to Chenam.  I don't know why, but it wouldn't be the first time an Indian village has alternate names/spellings over time.  Since Chenam is a verifiable populated place, I would keep this article.--Milowent • hasspoken  17:45, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * What you're saying is that the article Paralam is downright wrong. While it says "Paralam is a village" and then "Paralam had a population of 7189", you are saying that the Village Paralam does not have a population of 7189, but that the panchayat does. This is exactly why WP:GEOLAND refers to "legally recognized populated places" for automatic notability, not any "verifiable populated place". Chenam and Paralam village are not legally recognized and are not automatically notable, but this panchayat, which has defined borders and a census population. What a mess all of this is. Reywas92Talk 18:18, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Reywas92, we could spend our entire lives editing Indian place name articles and not clean this all up! I think the census information on the Paralam article is reporting the population of the Paralam Census Tract (CT) in the 2011 Indian census, since I just looked at those docs.  Did the article creator mean the panchayat and "village" as the same thing?  I don't know. I wouldn't automatically conclude that Chenam and Paralam (villages) were never legally recognized as their own thing, but they are not listed as separate entities in the 2011 census.--Milowent • hasspoken  18:48, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 08:14, 22 June 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 07:14, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. It’s not reasonable to expect editors to try and find and plough through potential sources to try and figure out whether a village like this is notable or not. There are thousands of these and it would be more than a lifetime’s work. I have an increasing level of doubt about Indian geostubs as some editors seem to be creating all sorts of fanciful things to boost their edit count on the assumption that they’re not controversial, and since we insist on sources now there is some very dodgy sourcing going on. I’m not suggesting there’s anything improper about this article but if we can’t be pretty sure it’s reliable info, it has to go. Mccapra (talk) 11:48, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - It's a true distinctive population place. The addresses there are listed as "Chenam." Even the library is called Chenam Public Library.Oakshade (talk) 22:40, 1 July 2020 (UTC)


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