Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Valknut (software) (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:37, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Valknut (software)
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AfD from 2006 closed as keep so can't be prodded. There are numerous problems, I am afraid. All references are to primary source - the soft's webpage. The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing General notability guideline requirement nor the more detailed Notability (software) supplementary essay. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar. If you disagree and deprod this, please explain how it meets them on the talk page here in the form of "This article meets criteria A and B because..." and ping me back through WP:ECHO or by leaving a note at User talk:Piotrus. Thank you. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:18, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  02:18, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I added 3 reference, see if it's enough. --Greatder (talk) 02:58, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Greatder Thanks, but a reference to another wiki (ubuntu wiki and ) won't help (wikis are unreliable WP:SPS). I have trouble opening the last ref but the url clearly calls that a blog anyway (http://www.linuxexpres.cz/blog/dc-download-zadny-problem-ii) so I am afraid none of those help much. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:29, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I didn't realize it was a self-blog, sorry. But, Ubuntu wiki is a pretty reliable source and is used in 121-ish pages. But, I guess 2 reference is too little but given the amount of sources I found in blogs(non refferencable), I think it's a notable software. --Greatder (talk) 06:04, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Greatder Unless Ubuntu wiki was discussed at WP:RSN and got some exception pass, it is not a reliable source per WP:SPS and that means we have 121 pages to remove this link from... and sorry, if something is discussed on many blogs and nothing but it won't pass WP:GNG/WP:V. Such topics are fine for various fan wikis but not for Wikipedia. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:06, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Even if the Ubuntu wiki is considered WP:RS for some things (like "DirectConnect is another example of a well-known file-sharing protocol. Among the supported clients are: valknut (KDE-native client)"), it doesn't help the case for WP:GNG. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:08, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * On another check it seems like the .cz site is actually a magazine at the bottom. I will make an entry on RS:N, I am not adding blog posts as reference but merely suggesting that since it's talked about in these blogs, I felt it was notable enough to try to dig a few more source. --Greatder (talk) 06:55, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Greatder Discussing it at RSN is the best approach. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:58, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Article introduces very many forks of the same software, without going into details on any of them. During a cursory search, I could not find any good sources on them, so none of them appear to be notable. These projects are: EiskaltDC, EiskaltDC++, wxDCGUI. Anton.bersh (talk) 16:34, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete Very little coverage, all of it incidental. A couple mention its use in academic P2P research, most simply mention it as a DC client. It's not taught in schools, you won't find a third-party manual or instruction book, and it's of no demonstrable technical or historical importance. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NSOFT. Yappy2bhere (talk) 05:36, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwaiiplayer (talk) 13:19, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Searching with dcgui, dcgui-qt, net-p2p/valknut and wxdcgui gives a lot more coverage on google. See
 * blog non-referencable: https://www.lysator.liu.se/~joorin/dcclib/
 * CVE: https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2003-0076
 * Can't speak German: https://www.berlios.de/software/valknut/
 * A manual! (http://snaggledworks.com/software/valknut/manual/manual.html)
 * FSF (https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Valknut)
 * wiki or not? (https://www.abclinuxu.cz/software/internet/p2p/wxdcgui)
 * archived homepage (https://web.archive.org/web/20040803073212/http://dcgui.berlios.de/index.php)
 * Link to one of the devs blog(http://axljab.homelinux.org/) dead.
 * --Greatder (talk) 16:26, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Evidently not. Three are self-published, one is copied from Wikipedia, and one is little more than a link to the Sourceforge project. The exploit report is arguably non-trivial independent coverage, but doesn't really argue for notability. Yappy2bhere (talk) 23:25, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * FSF itself is a notable and reliable source for verifiability and general notability. Abclinuxu.cz seems to have proper editors and puts it in a encyclopedia style directory . The manual is a primary source for facts as it is written by the project creator. The berlos.de actually seems to be one of the two main download sites referenced throughout all the documents as download page other than source forge. The CVE was in LWN article (https://lwn.net/Articles/21815/) clearly nontrivial and notable. --Greatder (talk) 06:58, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The FSF and abcLinux links are wikis, WP:USERGENERATED; all that's needed to edit is a free account. The manual is not written by the project creator ("This manual began life when I was a new Valknut user ... I'm still not an expert on Valknut") and is not edited and published with editorial oversight. BerliOS was an open-source host that transferred its projects to SourceForge and folded; that's why it's one of the two main download sites. You'll have to explain how a bug report on wxDCGUI is relevant to this article. In any case, a CVE doesn't itself contribute to software notability; if it did any forgettable app with a bad design could have an article. Yappy2bhere (talk) 19:59, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I have edited a bit more, check now. --Greatder (talk) 05:03, 22 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete. Fails Notability (software) and WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 16:30, 22 September 2021 (UTC)


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