Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Valley Girl Syndrome (VGS)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Geschichte (talk) 18:33, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Valley Girl Syndrome (VGS)

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This is an unsourced, very non-neutral semi-rant that was nominated for speedy deletion under criterion A7 shortly after creation in 2008, however that criterion does not apply and it was redirected to Valley girl instead (presumably because that's where Valley Girl Syndrome redirects). This is not a good redirect - titles followed by the acronym almost never are, this got exactly 3 views between 1 January 2020 and yesterday, so I was planning to send it to RfD. However investigating the history I realised that no speedy deletion quite applies (G10 doesn't apply as it's not intended as an attack page and there isn't really a specific identifiable target even if it were; A10 doesn't apply because even if I were to make the content neutral it would mostly not duplicate Valley girl or any other article I've found). There may be an article to be written about this distinct from the content currently at Valley girl, but if so that would be either as a section at Valley girl, or at Valley Girl Syndrome - and the history of the latter already contains something very similar (and equally unsourced and POV) to this so absolutely nothing will be lost. Thryduulf (talk) 16:50, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 16:54, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 16:54, 25 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete. No sources have been provided. This article is more of a criticism of unspecified Americans who are unaware of current events than a proper encyclopedia article. To the extent that such a thing as "Valley Girl syndrome" is discussed online, it appears to be more used as a description of high rising terminal or "uptalk", that is, the practice of speaking declarative sentences to sound like questions -- which has nothing to do with this article. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 23:53, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Second this. No sources, the content is so vague it basically doesn't say anything relevant/notable, and if, or some incomprehensible reason, we did intend to keep this, we would need a disambiguation page so this low-value rant doesn't get linked in linguistics-related articles. Before I edited it, it was wrongly categorized as linguistics-related because of confusion with "uptalk"(!) Quanstizium (talk) 17:03, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete I think WP:G3 applies. As Metropolitan90 noted, even if we took it for granted that there is such a thing as "Valley Girl Syndrome", it clearly doesn't refer to what the article purports it to be, so it's a blatant hoax. Either way there's hardly a point in keeping this unreferenced soapbox rant that has a snowball's chance in hell of becoming serviceable encyclopedic content. Nardog (talk) 00:33, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think G3 does apply. Hoaxes must be intended to deceive, but I think the author here was intending to honestly inform the world about something they call(ed) "Valley Girl Syndrome" - there is a difference between being wrong and being a hoax. Thryduulf (talk) 01:19, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Even if the intention was to inform the world about a thing, I really, really doubt the author genuinely believed that thing was called "Valley Girl Syndrome" by any person but them. And yet the article is written as though it is, in which I find intention to deceive. Nardog (talk) 01:34, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I completely disagree. Their comment at Talk:Valley Girl Syndrome makes it clear that they intended this to be an encyclopaedia entry about a phenomenon they have observed. The complete failure of NPOV and verifiability does not make it a hoax - why would someone who clearly wants the world to know about a thing intentionally use a name for it they know was incorrect? That the same term can refer to high rising terminal is coincidental. Thryduulf (talk) 01:55, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I think you're taking AGF to an unwarranted degree there... wouldn't that mean anyone could create a hoax and avoid SD just by insisting that it's genuine? But ultimately that's neither here nor there as I'm down with what you're proposing.
 * It's curious you linked to Talk:Valley Girl Syndrome. Shouldn't Valley Girl Syndrome also be nominated? Nardog (talk) 02:38, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Valley Girl Syndrome is already a redirect to Valley girl, so the arguments for deleting this page are different from the argument for deleting that redirect. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:29, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * So was Valley Girl Syndrome (VGS) until yesterday. Nardog (talk) 04:31, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I explained my reasons why I reverted the redirect and nominated this page here in my nomination statement. "Valley Girl Syndrome" is a plausible search term, "Valley Girl Syndrome (VGS)" is not, so the two are need discussing separately. The only times RfD will delete article content replaced by a redirect are (a) when the content meets a speedy deletion criterion, which this doesn't, or (b) when there has been a consensus that the content is not suitable as an article, which has not happened in this case; in all other circumstances the consensus will be to revert to the article without prejudice to an AfD nomination. Once this discussion concludes I plan to look in detail at Valley Girl Syndrome to determine whether I think it should be kept, retargetted or deleted and take the appropriate action (my gut feeling at the minute, without having done a detailed examination, is that it might make a good redirect to high rising terminal). There is article content in the history of that redirect (as noted) but it is so similar to the content of this article that the consensus of this discussion will be applicable to that too. Regarding hoaxes, if there is any doubt about whether a page meets a speedy deletion criterion it does not meet it, the criterion for hoaxes is that they be "blatant and obvious misinformation" a standard that is very clearly not met here. Thryduulf (talk) 11:28, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: malformed title, topic is already covered at Valley girl to which Valley Girl Syndrome redirects. Pam  D  20:58, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete a11, based on the user's edits it feels like something someone made up one day.Citing (talk) 01:13, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete Absolutely agree with and  on this one. This is G3 vandalism. Just an edgelord who was born in "le wrong generation". (Oh, memories of high school...) Bkissin (talk) 19:56, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: Unsourced polemical screed--and even more the point with regard to policy, original thought of the user. Certainly a WP:SNOW call, and I think I find even the G3 speedy delete rationals argued above more compelling than not.  Salting may even be a cost-benefit positive here. SnowRise let's rap 02:14, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete The title is not a plausible search term as noted above so it would not make for a useful redirect. I'm inclined to agree with the WP:A11/WP:G3 arguments, but even discounting those I don't think there's any arguing that this meets WP:DELREASON (Any other content not suitable for an encyclopedia), specifically WP:Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought. That's basically what the editors above are already saying, even if they're phrasing it differently. TompaDompa (talk) 14:54, 1 August 2021 (UTC)


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