Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Valmiki Ashram


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. After a relist, no-one but the nominator is arguing for this to be deleted (non-admin closure) Devonian Wombat (talk) 21:23, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Valmiki Ashram

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Article created by a disruptive sockpuppet and submitted to AfC multiple times by his sock IPs. There are many temples known as "Valmiki Ashram" and this one is not covered in any of the sources as, most of it hinges on recent news sources (which were reported on after recent controversial claims by the Nepalese Prime Minister) and should be deleted per WP:NOTNEWS. Gotitbro (talk) 10:58, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Hinduism-related deletion discussions. Gotitbro (talk) 10:58, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Nepal-related deletion discussions. Gotitbro (talk) 10:58, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Gotitbro (talk) 10:58, 10 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I came here to vote delete but after spending a few minutes doing research I found few sources: The Indian Rivers: Scientific and Socio-economic Aspects (p. 207) (published:2017) Land and people of Indian states and union territories (p. 308) (published: 2005) Pilgrimage Tourism in Nepal (published:2002) When & Where Was Ram Born? Bihar govt plans adventure sports at Valmiki Tiger Reserve (published:2012) वाल्मीकि आश्रमको बेवास्ता. This temple definitely received coverage before the "controversial claims" by the Nepalese Prime Minister. There are probably sources hidden underneath the recent coverage. The article needs some work but it passes "not news" thus I am voting Keep.  CAPTAIN MEDUSA   talk  12:57, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * All of the sources you listed are passing single word mentions and none of them discuss this in length at all. So the article still fails WP:INDEPTH. (PS: Two of the sources you listed spotlightnepal.com, ekantipur.com were published after the controversial claims). There are multiple such "Valmiki Ashrams" most of them are not covered in any depth or significance, hence non-notable. This article was specifically created by the disruptive sock to POVPUSH this as the "real" Valmiki Ashram all over wiki after those claims. I don't see it failing WP:NOTNEWS since most of the coverage of this is after the recent events, and even if passing mentions can be found in WP:RS it is still not in-depth or notable. Gotitbro (talk) 19:48, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * There are plenty of sources that go in-depth (but they are in Nepali):     CAPTAIN MEDUSA   talk  13:17, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * All of these are very recent perennial news sources as well. Gotitbro (talk) 00:30, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * This is like saying delete the 2020 United States presidential election article because it happened recently. These Nepali sources go in-depth.  CAPTAIN MEDUSA   talk  13:29, 23 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep with renaming. For situation then about Hindu denomination Balmikism a bit info, this article with news sources is suite. DayakSibiriak (talk) 02:29, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Please reconsider your vote/comment. This temple is not related to the Balmikism denomination/sect (which is mostly based in Punjab), its an unrelated structure in Nepal. Though I concur that the name is confusing since we already have a Ashram (Balmiki) article (which is about all general worship places of the denomination) and as I have said previously there multiple places known as "Valmiki Ashrams" and this one is not notable enough. Gotitbro (talk) 02:50, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Agree. DayakSibiriak (talk) 03:17, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Then please strike/change your vote because it is based on incorrect reasoning. Gotitbro (talk) 10:02, 22 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep Additional sources are available with alternate spelling 'Balmiki Ashram' as well.     Mnop1234 (talk) 16:09, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Recently-created account with no significant edits outside deletion discussions. Gotitbro (talk) 00:30, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, none of them are in-depth beyond single line mentions the last source doesn't even mention it (the first one is not RS either). Gotitbro (talk) 00:30, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I think the existing sources in the article and those mentioned above are sufficient for notability and in-depth. For example,this source from 'Times of India' published in 2012.
 * Moreover the controversial claim by Nepalese PM is about the birthplace of Rama; Thori in Nepal or Ayodhya in India. So I think this has nothing to do with Valmiki Ashram. Mnop1234 (talk) 05:00, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Single phrase/line mentions are clearly not in-depth (or even WP:GNG for that matter). The claims are relevant since that is what lead to the creation of this article by the sockpuppet in the first place and a lot of news articles being cited here and in the article are based/follow on them (as described in those news articles itself). Gotitbro (talk) 10:01, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   09:58, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep -- clearly meets WP:GNG (2020, 2020, 2014, 2019, among others). The subject is of historical, cultural, socio-economic and geo-political significance; WP:NOTNEWS does not apply as it is a religious site and a tourist destination. We don't delete articles because the subject's title is generic; we implement WP:DISAMBIGUATION as necessary. Usedtobecool ☎️ 06:47, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, per Usedtobecool. The sources provided demonstrate enduring notability. Tayi Arajakate  Talk 12:16, 27 November 2020 (UTC)


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