Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Valor tale


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. - Bobet 10:02, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Valor tale

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Contested PROD that was deprodded without a rationale given. Looks to be a self-published work that isn't non-notable. The content fails WP:FICTION; the author fails WP:BIO. Ultimately, it's a major violation of WP:V, considering the only information found anywhere else is the sales link at the bottom. Possibly WP:COI and WP:SPAM. Delete (note: page was moved to Valor Tale after start of AfD; deletion is for that article along with redirect from title seen above). Kinu t /c  05:01, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete If this is a published novel, why can't I find anything on it anywhere? Definitely fails WP:V and notability as well. No sources listed that mention the book. Most of the article is character analysis information that could probably be found in the text, wherever that might be. -- Cy ru s      An dir on   15:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps you should check my references I have provided at the bottom of the page to find info about my book. Also, if you looked at the date when it came out, you will see that it is fairly new. In regards to the information of the characters, those who have downloaded the pictures have provided the name of author, illustrator, page number that it is on, along with copyright info. You have to click on the pic, it should be right next to the file name of the pic. (i.e Dew.GIF....) Thanks

Dew3 10:33, 24 April 2007


 * Comment: Existence and notability are two completely different things. If this book is fairly new, and it is indeed yours, then creating an article on it may be considered advertising. Please see what Wikipedia is not, along with the information provided above, to find out what is considered an appropriate article for this encyclopedia. -- Kinu t /c  18:25, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Dew3 13:19, 24 April 2007
 * Reply: If this is considered a form of advertising, then what is the point of having articles such as Final Fantasy IIV and any other book (i.e. Eragon, Frankenstein, To kill a Mockingbird, etc.) on here for viewing pleasure? I have no intentions of promoting my book for sell on here, nor have I suggested any means of such nature. Please let me know what needs to be changed so I may keep this up and running?


 * Response: Per WP:FICTION, step one is to have your book published by an independent publisher and not what is considered a "vanity press." Then, have your book written about and reviewed by reliable, neutral, third-party sources such as the media, so that the article can be written from a critical but neutral point of view and not be a rehash of the plot summary. I'm sure the other published works you have mentioned satisfy those requirements. Yours does not, as indicated above. Comparing a book you publish on-demand to a classic such as Frankenstein is a gross misconception... and I also doubt that Mary Shelley wrote the article on it. -- Kinu t /c  19:29, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment: I am sure Mary Shelly would have done just the same thing, with no intentions of trying to market her story just as I wasn't. Unless you're a mind reader and knew Mary Shelly very well, because I am sure not and I did not know her. Plus, we all know that Wikipedia and the internet wasn't even around in the 19th century. lol In all seriousness; from what you are telling me, for my article to stay up here, it has to be from some one who has read the book already? Although I did not put the pics and the book synaposis itself up, I can see your point. I will talk to the book company then who has published my stuff, and they will be my third party. If that isn't good enough, in June with The New York Review of Books, I suppose whom ever takes grasps of my story shall put their neutral input in of my story. That is considered a third party, right? I thank you for the explantation and appreicate your help on this. Dew3 14:48, 24 April 2007


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