Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vampire Secrets


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The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 06:20, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Vampire Secrets

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Non-notable documentary. The reliable sources in the article reference topics in the documentary, but do not establish notability for this documentary itself. Tagged as non-notable in May; invited to bring here for discussion when that tag was removed without improvement. ~TPW 14:59, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Entertainment-related deletion discussions. ~TPW 14:59, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 *  Note to nominator: Thank you. I did indeed remove the tag and invite you in a message on the TP, that you have apparently read, to take the page here if you thought refs that I added were still not enough. But I cannot therefore logically agree with you when you say the tag was removed without improvement. See the page history, please.- My, oh my!  (Mushy Yank)  17:34, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 *  Weak keep. 1 super-minute assessment in TV Guide and 2 reviews in independent sources (one, substantial, at DVD Talk, the second, rather poor at DVD Town; the first is usually accepted by the Film and Horror projects). Various mentions in independent books, that may not be significant in themselves, but all in all add up to something rather significant, I find. PS- As the Josh Roshen linked on the page is obviously not the author of the film, a redirect to its other main author, Katherine Ramsland, may also be a good option, I think. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank)  17:34, 7 September 2023 (UTC) (Edited 9/11 after new sources presented by Cunard, thanks)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The reviewer gave the documentary three stars. The reviewer notes: "The entertaining History Channel documentary Vampire Secrets might give short shrift to the earliest examples of the undead in literature (such as Sheridan Le Fanu's Carmilla), but covers the field reasonably well—beginning with Bram Stoker's Dracula), which chilled the blood of Edwardian-era readers—offering interesting insights into the evolution of the vampire in popular culture, backed with vintage film clips and newly shot dramatic recreations. The accounts of supposed real-life vampires here are just as fascinating, although the segment dealing with the notorious Countess Elizabeth Bathory—who committed violent atrocities against her servant girls and supposedly bathed in their blood—repeats embellishments to her story that were debunked years ago. Narrated by Corey Burton, this 2006 documentary was originally released as part of the Haunted Histories series, but has been repackaged to tie-in with the DVD release of Twilight, based on the first novel in Stephenie Meyer's wildly popular YA vampire series. Featuring interviews with authors Katherine Ramsland and Michelle Belanger, Vampire Secrets not only covers ancient legends and pop-culture depictions of vampires, but also examines such phenomena as present-day cults of bloodletters and the rise of the "Goth" subculture. Sure to be popular, this is recommended."  The article notes: "Meanwhile, A&E is hoping some of those fans will bite on "Vampire Secrets," which is being shipped to stores Tuesday. There's no love story here, just historical data about the myths of vampires dating back more than 1,000 years. It's told through the comments of authors, historians and re-enactments. There's also some scientific explanation for why some of the legends exist. ... The documentary goes up to modern days and role-playing games like Vampire the Masquerade. One player calls it Twister for vampires, but it may have inspired a real double murder. There's also a part on why current times have turned the once horrific creatures of the night into sexy beasts ... which brings us back to "Twilight.""  The review notes: "As interesting as Vampire Secrets may be at times, it's a rather redundant documentary. There's nothing new here, very little that is based on "historical events", and the reenacted bits are just too tacky for their own good. What information you'll pull away from it is light at best, and mostly sensationalized through awful bits of drama. This may make an entertaining watch if you happen up on while flicking through the channels, but I wouldn't buy into the DVD release. There's just not enough here to warrant its own release and the quality isn't as high as some of History Channel's other efforts."  The review notes: "Here's the vampire movie of the week worth renting. The well-researched History Channel documentary traces the origins of popular vampire mythology through film and literature. The film also traces evidence of actual vampire encounters throughout history, most of which are issues of mistaken identity involving superstitions run amok. Some stories, however, are disturbing instances of killers who fed on human blood. There's also a profile of the modern underground vampire-wannabe scene in New York."</li> <li> The review notes: "A&E has its own bit of "twilighty" entertainment, too, in the documentary Vampire Secrets, which arrived in stores Tuesday. This fascinating 47-minute look at the history of the blood-suckers examines the folklore common in cultures around the world that have shaped our conception of these fangy fiends. Vampire Secrets is not rated and lists for $19.95."</li> <li> The review notes: "Studious scary movie types might pick "Vampire Secrets" instead, a strategically reissued documentary from the History Channel. "Vampire Secrets" explores the history and folklore of the vampire across the globe, from ancient China through Eastern Europe all the way through to modern underground vampire culture. (That is to say, pretend vampires - we hope.) Everything is cleanly delivered in History Channel style - interviews with academics and fuzzy historical re-enactments."</li> <li> The review notes: "For a little historical perspective, the History Channel will re-release "Vampire Secrets" on March 31. The 100-minute documentary looks deeply (and in stomach-churning detail) at some of the vampire legends of the past, their pop culture incarnations and the current vampire scene in cities such as New York."</li> <li> The review notes: ""Vampire Secrets" (8 tonight, History) is a high-falutin' documentary-type treatment of mythical bloodsuckers. We learn that vampires have vanted to suck blood for centuries -- at least that's what the legends say. Plus, those bat people don't just lurk in deepest Transylvania. Many cultures, including Greeks and Chinese, have told vampire tales."</li> <li> The article notes: "Watch your neck - this Halloween documentary dramatically traces vampire history from ancient myth to more modern incarnations like Count Dracula and Lestat. These blood-thirsty creatures have been the stuff of nightmares for millennia, and still fascinate."</li> <li> The article notes: ""Vampire Secrets" (History, 2006, $19.95). This documentary has the usual talking heads but also some gruesome and quite bloody re-creations as it tells the history of vampires, from 17th century folklore to Bram Stoker's novel "Dracula" to modern movies (pre-"Twilight") to real-life people who have embraced the fantasy a bit too much. Extras: widescreen"</li> <li> The book notes: "Vampire Secrets (2006): History Channel, DVD. This review of vampires from different cultures digs back thou- sands of years, travels as far as Greece and China, and updates the concept of ancient human blood-drinkers with a look at Bram Stoker's fiendish Dracula and vampires rampant in today's pop culture."</li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Vampire Secrets to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 01:07, 11 September 2023 (UTC) </li></ul>


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