Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Van Darkholme


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The result was keep. -- RG2 02:39, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Van Darkholme

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Gay-Male porno actor. Article doesn't meet the requirements of WP:BIO with regard to porno actors. There are no references per WP:RS. It reads like a vanity bio and as one of the editors was the subject himself there is an element of WP:COI present. The verifiability tag has been present since September but hasn't been addressed. -- WebHamste r  19:05, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, W.marsh 15:04, 23 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep. WP:PORNBIO states "Has made unique contributions to a specific pornographic genre, such as beginning a trend in pornography, or starring in an iconic, groundbreaking or blockbuster feature" and, in terms of gay male porn, I suggest that he was the first muscular Asian top in Western gay porn and the first Asian performer in Western bondage porn (the article mentions this but not in detail) and thus is "iconic" and "groundbreaking".  He single-handedly broke down a stereotype that Asian men in gay porn must be slender submissive bottoms.  He's written a book (linked here) and illustrated it with his own photographs.  He appeared in Playgirl and has both acted and directed in films as per IMDB.  All things considered, I'd suggest that he is notable when compared to the average performer.  Accounting4Taste 18:09, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I've added a reference link to the book and deleted much of the stuff that would probably be WP:COI that would have required a verifiability tag; anything that's there can be verified from within the article, so I trust it will not be incorrect to remove that tag. Accounting4Taste 22:19, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep He's actually a minor celeb of sorts in the bondage community and his annual performances at Folsom and Dore allet fair ahve been going on for years (over a decade I believe). Benjiboi 13:18, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


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