Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vancouver Hebrew Academy


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to History of the Jews in Vancouver. (non-admin closure) buidhe 22:37, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Vancouver Hebrew Academy

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Not notable. Should be redirected somewhere, but I'm not sure of the target. Raymie (t • c) 01:29, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Raymie (t • c) 01:29, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. Raymie (t • c) 01:29, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of British Columbia-related deletion discussions. Raymie (t • c) 01:29, 18 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete, fails WP:NSCHOOL. Jewish education should probably be the target but there isn't anything to add from this article. An article related to Jewish education in Canada could potentially be more appropriate as there is enough source for that, should pass WP:GNG relatively comfortably. Tayi Arajakate (talk) 10:43, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The relevant part of WP:NSCHOOL says ...middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must satisfy either this guideline (WP:ORG) or the general notability guideline, or both. Since this is left to interpretation, I would argue that the Courier reference satisfies WP:GNG (namely having significant, reliable and independent coverage), since discussion there about the Shannon Park Annex /Vancouver Hebrew School is more than trivial but less than the main focus. Since NSCHOOL leaves its requirements up to interpretation, my take on it is that we needn't require the full-blown WP:ORG requirements, which were written (it seems to me) to enforce WP:COI and WP:PROMOTIONAL tone in organizations, because there is no semblance of any of that in the article itself nor in the references, it being only a bare bones school article/stub. This also removes the thorny issue of where to redirect. StonyBrook (talk) 00:41, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Lots of bare-bones arguments here. Some more in-depth analysis of sources, please?
 * Keep. A quick look at Google News finds plenty of good sources. The article needs expansion, not deletion. Yoninah (talk) 12:56, 18 February 2020 (UTC) Change !vote to Delete. I spent some time digging up sources and cannot even find the history of the school, much less articles dedicated to it. The only thing that comes up is that it's the only Orthodox Jewish day school in Vancouver. It's listed in History of the Jews in Vancouver; that's enough. Yoninah (talk) 22:05, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NSCHOOL. --BonkHindrance (talk) 15:38, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:HEY, WP:BEFORE and WP:AUD. School has received more than strictly local coverage. StonyBrook (talk) 02:58, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge - to locality. Not a terminal school, it only goes to 10th grade. We're not supposed to say WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES any more (I guess?), but WP:MILL applies. John from Idegon (talk) 11:01, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 23:42, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge with article Vancouver School Board History of the Jews in Vancouver., my primary concern is that the article if left will just be a WP:PERMASTUB. The Vancouver Courier article is only mentioning it in the context of a motion in the Vancouver School Board. I'd call it sheer luck the school got a mention in the way it did there. Other than that, it has some coverage due to it hosting Ben Shapiro once but there doesn't seem to be much that can be derived about the school from that. Though, I would say that with the information that is present in the article currently, it can be merged. Tayi Arajakate  Talk 04:50, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Assuming you are correct that it is a "Permastub", what is your point? The essay doesn't have an issue with them unless they are "problematic", but what is problematic or unsatisfying about a currently operating day school? I don't see the justification for a merge with Vancouver School Board either since the two entities do not seem to share any affiliation, except for the leasing agreement for the annex space. StonyBrook (talk) 05:19, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I would revert any mention of a private school from a school district article on sight. There is 0 relationship between the two entities. School districts sell or lease out of use facilities to private school operators all the time (what else do you do with a used school). Target for redirect is completely unacceptable. John from Idegon (talk) 23:03, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The school just isn't notable. It very clearly does not pass WP:GNG or WP:NORG. The point of the permastub is that, it has near no significant coverage on its own merits. Tayi Arajakate  Talk 00:26, 28 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment, , , whatever the outcome here, I think the most appropriate merge target for this article should be History of the Jews in Vancouver, per what has found. StonyBrook (talk) 23:54, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm in agreement. Raymie (t • c) 01:00, 28 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Me, too. John from Idegon (talk) 01:05, 28 February 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.