Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vanessa Kraven


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete, may be a bit immature (as in "yet to reach notability but maybe in the future") right now. Sr13 04:02, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Vanessa Kraven

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PROD removed, non-notable wrestler, fails WP:V, WP:A and WP:BLP. Darrenhusted 00:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, per nom and my original vote. Nikki311 00:37, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable professional wrestler and links in article attest to that. It seems the nom is just throwing WP policies up at random and putting the word "fails" in front of them. --Oakshade 00:57, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment the main feds she's worked for are redlinks, and the bottom half of the article is just a list, if you want it to stay (which you must do because you removed the PROD) then improve the article (Is "She also has aspirations to one day work for World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE)" really needed, for example). Darrenhusted 01:01, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * There is no "must do" for prod removers if they feel the prod is unjustified anywhere in WP:PROD. This is another example of the nom not understanding (or attempting to make up) WP plicies. --Oakshade 01:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Know what, I'm not going to get in to this. There were near fifty article PROD-ed, so far 16 have been unPROD-ed, I am trying to get editors who feel they have a vested interest in certain articles to improve them, if you cannot improve the article then it will be deleted, because as it stands this person fails WP:V, WP:A and WP:BLP. Also she is (from this article alone) not notable. If you want I'll gut the article so you can start from the ground up, but find some sources that back up the claims, otherwise the AfD will go towards delete. Darrenhusted 01:15, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * WP:CONSENSUS desides if an article gets deleted, not you. --Oakshade 01:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment, this article didn't change in the six months between the PRODs. Darrenhusted 02:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete, fails WP:BIO, fails WP:RS, no notability, no claims of notability. Corvus cornix 02:21, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The nom almost completely deleted the article which included the claims of notablity.--Oakshade 02:23, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * So put it back. There is still no notability there.  Corvus cornix 02:31, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment and Note to Closing Administrator - After this AfD began, the nom erased almost the entire article . The user did this immediately after the exchange above in apparent retaliation to the discussion.  This is a bad faith effort if there ever was one. Here is the pre-erased article. --Oakshade 02:23, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment, there is no bad faith, the history is there for all to see, look on the talk page, the references went to Japanese sites, French sites and a shop site. The two remaning refs went to front pages of wrestling sites, I have found the bios on those pages for Vanessa Kraven and used them to reference the information in the page, which in those two sources is not even a DOB. I have already stated that if sources can be found then the information can be added back in. Darrenhusted 02:27, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, non notable independent wrestler who performed in several non notable promotions (one of which sounds like an e fed) and about 1 or 2 notable ones. Nenog 03:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per Corvus cornix. OysterGuitarst 04:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wrestling-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 09:38, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Quebec-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 09:39, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete: per nom, fails WP:BIO. Google returns only 63 unique hits, the bulk of them from fan forums.  Not a single hit is even so much as a credible writeup on one of the leading wrestling websites.  Hey, there's a site where she got Wrestling Babe of the Day, but given the finite number of woman wrestlers, they probably cite Mae Young, Nicole Bass and Luna Vachon too.    RGTraynor  17:02, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete: I've actually seen her wrestle in a Japanese women's promotion and she has some promise as a gaijin monster heel there. However, if she quit wrestling tomorrow, she wouldn't warrant an entry.  So, I'd say this article is premature-she might be notable enough to not be argued about in a few years. Pure Josh 04:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.