Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vanessa Lann


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep.  (non-admin closure).Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 03:26, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
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I couldn't establish that she meets WP:Notability (people). This article has been tagged for notability for over six years and no one has established it. Boleyn (talk) 20:39, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:37, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete The subject could possibly hope to meet WP:COMPOSER some day, but not currently and does not meet WP:GNG: I could find no sources to support this at any rate. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:51, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 01:20, 17 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep while agreeing that the previous version of the article was substandard, and the article highly deserved to be AfD-ed. That she is American but living in the Netherlands means much of the review material is in Dutch, somewhat hard for English-users in America such as myself to access, although new translation tools make it easier to find sources (I had to dig into 25+ SERP pages plus did much cross-checking) to try to improve the article as per WP:HEYMANN. My take: serious composer, dedicated, much work, although she has not hit popular fame as such, although her work is performed regularly in festivals and can be heard on eight CDs; so I did not find the kind of in-depth articles Wikipedia likes for notability although they may still be out there (in Dutch?). However, there are enough sources out there to show a serious composer, and the WP:BASIC rule says If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability -- so if we combine the nontrivial sources, a picture emerges of a solid composer/artist who is notable. It is enhanced by the numerous awards listed in the infobox. Further, her music is getting critical attention in the New York Times, Classics Today, and this newspaper called volkskrant which (to me) sounds like a trimmed down Volkswagen. So, all things considered, I think she's a keeper.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:44, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep after Tomwsulcer's admirable work. (BTW, de Volkskrant is a highly reputable Dutch newspaper.) -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 07:40, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Michael Bednarek, helpful to know about de Volksfrant, since it enabled me to find more music reviews from that newspaper to add, which I think further demonstrates notability.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 11:30, 18 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. I always felt that she was at least borderline notable, but I struggled to find sources to verify this. Tomwsulcer has now found sources – well done Tom! --Deskford (talk) 12:02, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Deskford!--Tomwsulcer (talk) 12:45, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
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