Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vanessa Olivarez


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The result was   keep. \ Backslash Forwardslash / {talk} 08:00, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Vanessa Olivarez

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Delete. After Articles for deletion/Alexis Grace (2nd nomination) saw a “delete” outcome, I feel that the time has come to determine which of the American Idol contestants truly deserve their own articles. WP:NOTINHERITED tells us that just because somebody appeared on American Idol, it doesn’t make them notable and worthy of an article. This fails WP:MUSIC and WP:BIO. The article claims that she has released some albums, EPs and singles, but a quick search brings up nothing but MySpace results and neither Amazon USA or Amazon Canada have any records, making the claims doubtful. DJ 08:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

This sort of mass nomination is unproductive because it leads to people voting based on "I like it"/"I don't like it" since no one can reasonably be expected to properly research 38 articles of the same nature in a week. (Indeed this has already begun to happen.) Since the results of these AfDs are likely to be influenced by voting rather than a proper discussion, they should all be closed with no prejudice against reopening a few at a time after a good faith attempt to determine notability has been made. --ThaddeusB (talk) 22:48, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy close as a (unintentionally) disruptive nomination. The nominator rapid fire nominated 38 American Idol contestants all with the same (invalid) rationale that Alexis Grace (who finished 11th and hasn't had a chance to do anything post Idol yet) was deleted.  It is quite clear that he/she made no attempt to research any of the nominations as several quite clearly meet multiple inclusion criteria.  Some of these articles should be kept, and others merged, but none should be deleted.  All arguably meet WP:MUSIC #9: "Has won or placed in a major music competition" by virtue of making the finals of American Idol and the less notable ones should at least be merged with their respective American Idol season X pages.


 * Speedy close per ThaddeusB. Jeni  ( talk ) 00:15, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy close per ThaddeusB. Crafty (talk) 01:57, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy close per WikiProject Idol series; the Alexis Grace deletion was improper per that guideline, and this one is even more so. --RBBrittain (talk) 02:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Despite the support of the Idol Wikiproject, subject fails WP:MUSIC and WP:BIO. May meet WP:COMPOSER if the Sugarland song ever becomes notable. Lara  19:30, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. I think there is a long-standing consensus that Idol finalists are rather likely to receive plenty of coverage from reliable sources so are presumed inherently to pass the GNG. This article certainly needs work but from my initial look; Olivarez is the presumed victim of the Idol produces who set her up with a scripted insult which took her down in the eyes of the voting public - this was after she came out as lesbian to the other contestants (this was quite a few years ago - 2002?); she was dropped from being on the tour or the idols album and was almost barred from the finale show as well. She released a single that peaked in the top 10 of the Canadian market, stripped down for a PETA anti-fur ad, and landed the leading role of Tracy Turnblad in the Toronto Production of Hairspray. She has done other bits as well but no, there is plenty to be found and it will take time to write it all up encyclopedicly. -- Banj e  b oi   22:40, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
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