Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vangelis Petsalis


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The result was   keep. Davewild (talk) 16:24, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Vangelis Petsalis

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No evidence that this composer meets the criteria for inclusion as a musician, or a general biography. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:15, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

This composer is a well known contemporary classical musician.See for example:

http://www.eem.org.gr/members_detail.asp?id=121&property=biografy

http://www.eem.org.gr/members_detail_g.asp?id=121&property=biografy

http://www.classicaldiscoveries.org/playlist20030528.html

http://www.mygreek.fm/event/view/by-id/442/event/Concert-of-classical-music-with-Vangelis-Petsalis

http://www.costopoulosfoundation.org/page/default.asp?la=2&id=51

http://www.musicweb-international.com/Balkan_discography/ECE_Balkan_Symphonies1.htm

http://www.violinconcerto.de/database.html?sobi2Task=sobi2Details&catid=1887&sobi2Id=13841

http://musiqueclassique.forumpro.fr/t1678-vangelis-petsalis

http://www.hfc-sofia.com/wmt/webpages/index.php?lid=2&pid=61&apprec=10 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vag2 (talk • contribs) 15:00, 8 January 2011 (UTC) I thought that at least the Princeton University of USA -one of the best in the world-that has dedicated a special 4 hours programm upon Vangelis Petsalis`s work ( http://www.classicaldiscoveries.org/playlist20030528.html)  would be "significant coverage",if the other links are not- for wikipedia -trustful.I dont understand what wikipedia needs more and I am sorry if I have created an article upon this contemporary musician that doesnt fit in a supposedly upto date encyclopaedia
 * Comment None of those links show any significant coverage as required by WP:BIO. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:28, 8 January 2011 (UTC
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 * Keep One of the links, the first reference (in the Greek language), does have quite a lot of information about his career. Don't quite know how to measure the notability of a composer but a composer who has conducted orchestras outside of his home country and has been given time by media outside of his home country must be notable enough. I tidied up the article a bit. Needs more work doing to it though. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 22:22, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment That is a presumption of notability without actual evidence of notability. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:24, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Nipsonanomhata,it is much better the article now in this way.Vangelis Petsalis is not a conductor.He is a composer whose works are played by other conductors and Orchestras( Alkis Panayotopoulos,Adrian Sunshine,Alexandros Myrat,Miltos Logiadis are some of the conductors I know and such Orchestras as National Bulgarian Radio & Television Orchestra,Camerata Orchestra of the Megaron Hall Athens,Greek National Radfio & Television Orchestras ,Sofia Philharmonic Orchestra et.al that are from Greece and out of Greece).The first link you are referred to is the official page for him at the Greek Composers Union-EEM( Hellenic Composers Union) http://www.violinconcerto.de/database.html?sobi2Task=sobi2Details&catid=1887&sobi2Id=13841 http://www.eem.org.gr/members_detail.asp?id=121&property=biografy http://www.recordsinternational.com/archive/RICatalogJuly98.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vag2 (talk • contribs) 18:06, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: I have added some more references and the following basic requirement has been met: "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of multiple published[3] secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other,[4] and independent of the subject.[5]" Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 21:37, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Well known composer as attested by multiple reliable, independent sources including a grant by the Costopoulos Foundation. His chosen field of music is rather obscure as opposed to say rap or hip hop music and being in Southern Europe the sources are not as easily found as if he lived in the English-speaking world. There is an inherent cultural bias in evaluating the reliability of non-North American/English-speaking sources but despite that these sources are reliable enough to establish notability. Dr.K. λogosπraxis  23:16, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
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 * Keep agree with Dr.K Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vag2 (talk • contribs) 14:06, 18 January 2011 (UTC)