Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vanuatuan records in athletics


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Listed for 13 days with no arguments for deletion aside from the nominator. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:46, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Vanuatuan records in athletics

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A near empty article, and the sole athlete cited here has made no impact whatsoever in international track and field. There should be no prejudice for recreating this when Vanuatu becomes a global sports power, but at the moment this empty page makes no sense. Warrah (talk) 15:16, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete It's clear that the article's creator has no source of information of whatever the national record might be in Vanuatu.  The intro says that "The following are the national records in athletics in Vanuatu maintained by the Vanuatu Athletics Federation", but there is no link to the Vanuatu Athletics Federation, so I'm not expecting anything.  Basically, there's an athlete named Moses Kamut who did quite well in six running events, so it appears that the assumption is made that he holds the national record in those events as well.  While that's probably true, there's no indication that anyone has information about people other than Moses Kamut, nor that we would ever know it if another Vanuatan runs faster than he.  The entire content can be summed up as MosesKamut-MosesKamut-MosesKamut-MosesKamut-MosesKamut-MosesKamut-MosesKamut.  That can be mentioned in the article about... Moses Kamut.  Mandsford (talk) 17:49, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:57, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * If you create an article about statistics you can't even get with just a mouse click on a federation's web site sometimes it depends on the help of other wikiusers and: patience... If you have a look at the development I hope this will be answer enough. Apart from that, the information is based on the official record documents of IAAF dated on September 2009. This document includes all national records and it's a pdf about 300 pages... to big for a reasonable reference I think.. This is an example for what is wikipedia sometimes about... to be the first information web site. Montell 74 (talk) 15:45, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep I was wrong, and change my !vote based on the information compiled by Montell74. I do think that there ought to be a link to any reference that's available online, if the 300 page .pdf is available for others to refer to.  Mandsford (talk) 16:07, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * But that argument is problematic. These cannot be considered as national records if the track meets take place outside of the nation in question. And none of the athletes (with the shaky exception of Moses Kamut) qualify for notability as per WP:ATHLETE. Warrah (talk) 14:39, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't understand. Do you mean, national records have to be broken just inside of the nation????? And do you just accept very known athletes???? Can't follow your arguments....Montell 74 (talk) 19:23, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Please take a look at the article. Almost none of the tracks meets are identified.  And unless I am misreading this, none of the runners cited here have broken any recognized records. Warrah (talk) 22:37, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * No one is saying they broke recognized records internationally. They are saying that they have achieved the best times/distances of any national of Vanuatu.  It doesn't have anything to do with events meeting in Vanuatu. matt91486 (talk) 23:12, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget  00:48, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Matt is exactly correct. As an example, see United States records in track and field (for instance the U.S. record for the 100m dash was broken last September in Shanghai-- not Shanghai, Indiana but the one in China).  Mandsford (talk) 18:17, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep. National records in athletics indicates that the topic is clearly notable. Not keeping Vanuatu's article would be a case of WP:BIAS against smaller nations. matt91486 (talk) 23:12, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep Cleary defined list on a notable subject.  Lugnuts  (talk) 09:08, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Note that User:Montell 74 removed the AfD tag, but it's now been restored.  Lugnuts  (talk) 09:27, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.