Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Various minor league baseball players


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was delete. 6-3, WP:NOT is a policy, WP:BIO is a guideline. Proto /// type  16:17, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Various minor league baseball players
====Bubbie Buzachero | Kevin Kouzmanoff | Ryan Goleski | Scott Lewis | Chuck Lofgren | Ben Fishbune | Carl Loadenthal | David Murphy | Sean Smith (baseball player) | Joshua Sowers====


 * Delete All: More minor league-only baseball players with no assertion that they could make the majors (e.g., 1st round picks or already in AAA, etc.) These are typically deleted as in Articles for deletion/Kinston Indians.  -- Wknight94 (talk) 13:06, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete for WP is not a indiscriminate collection of facts. No notability stated or implied.  Tychocat 13:40, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - I'm pretty sure that for athletes they must have either made the major leagues or had other sort of unique circumstances (eg. drafted first overall, other noteworthy event). Wickethewok 14:57, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Erm, no you're just guessing. Try reading the policy instead. Chicheley 01:23, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete all, fails WP:BIO and Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. --Coredesat talk 21:28, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep all They meet WP:BIO. Chicheley 01:23, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Passes WP:BIO, specifically Sportspeople/athletes who have played in a fully professional league. ScottW 02:38, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: You might want to also read Notability (athletes) which proposes that the guideline you gave is "much too vague". The actual standard with regards to minor leaguers has been to delete in cases as clear cut as these articles.  -- Wknight94 (talk) 02:45, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * For the record, I agree that the guideline, as it is, is too vague, and support changing it to be more appropriate for individual sports. However, I still advocate keeping such articles until the proposal achieves enough consensus to become a guideline. ScottW 12:25, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete -- most minor leaguers aren't even known outside the local area, or even to fans of the parent club unless they're a major prospect or a frequent role player on the major team (Lou Merloni, formerly of the Red Sox organization, comes to mind). Those that are members of independent teams are seldom notable at all. Haikupoet 04:35, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep all pro athletes, even baseball players. --JJay 02:45, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: http://www.thebaseballcube.com shows 9 different Ryan Smiths, 5 different Matt(hew) Smiths, 5 different Dan/Danny/Daniel Smiths and 4 David Smiths, all of which have played pro baseball but not in the majors. Just to be clear, it's okay if I go ahead and add all 23 of them to Wikipedia now?   -- Wknight94 (talk) 03:05, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment If these individuals meet WP:BIO and you want to make the articles and the requisite disambiguation pages, then have at it (avoiding WP:POINT, of course). However, I would prefer to see the notability guidelines changed instead. While I understand that the guideline is not policy and does not necessarily dictate that these players be kept, I am concerned that articles are being nominated without regard to the guideline at all. My preference would be that the guidelines be modified to be more specific about baseball players, and then we deal with the ones who do not meet the consensus. ScottW 12:27, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: Seems cheesy to claim WP:BIO when that guideline is so weak for athletes that it's spawned a new proposed guideline. These particular articles were nominated for the total lack of notability assertion other than they've played A and AA baseball.  Some of them are even very low-round draft picks like Sean Smith (baseball player) who was drafted in the 16th round and took almost four years just to get to AA.   -- Wknight94 (talk) 12:51, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment I suspect that if we were discussing changes to the guideline, you and I would have a lot more to agree on. I don't disagree that the guideline needs improvement, and I do want to see it changed; but as weak as it may be, it is just as explicit. ScottW 13:17, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete all do not meet WP:BIO as it has been applied to baseball in that they did not yet play in MLB. If they do, then they will be notable baseball players. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:32, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.