Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vasile Baghiu


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The result was   delete.  Sandstein  07:24, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Vasile Baghiu

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Even if technically permissible, it takes a certain gall to write an autobiography, which this is, but it seems Mr Baghiu, no stranger to self-promotion, has it. After all, why not claim for himself a coveted spot on Wikipedia, simply because he can? Well, he will at least have to face the scrutiny of AfD, as I for one consider him non-notable.

In analyzing his notability, I will feel free to ignore the large parts of his autobiography which are unsourced and therefore not verifiable. Still, we are left with the following:


 * He's a member of the Iaşi chapter of the Romanian Writers' Union. Good for him, but so are some 300 others. The very head of this branch has noted that the main condition for entry is signing a form, and that it functions primarily as a social/career club. Others have commented on the glaring lack of standards in admitting members.
 * He's second-in-command at this branch's literary magazine. That's nice, but given that the magazine is not even carried by the National Library of Romania, one must question how important this distinction is.
 * He belongs to the PEN club. Again, great, but he's hardly alone in Romania, not to mention the many thousands of others in International PEN clubs.
 * He's had a short story published in a German book. Unless all published short story authors are notable, I fail to see how this advances claims of notability.
 * He's had poems published in various online magazines. Some of these are hosted on free websites and probably breach WP:SELFPUB. Even the others have very weak editorial standards. For instance, at first glance it may seem impressive that poeticdiversity put up his biography. But then we read in their submissions policy that poets should send in "a brief bio" &mdash; so this is yet another autobiography we're dealing with. It's clear Mr Baghiu knows about the various ways one can promote oneself through the Internet, and that he's sent his work to various no-name online magazines, but that doesn't really build on his notability.
 * We have reference to two German articles, but no sense of why these matter in establishing his notability. Also to a short story published in Austria; see above for that.
 * Finally, we have reference to an article he wrote about one John Yamrus. Looking at the article, I noticed something amusing: the claim that he is "one of the most important contemporary American poets". But John Yamrus is a redlink. Then I went to Baghiu's site and saw this gem: "the great Romanian poet Vasile Baghiu is now writing the most amazing poems in English... Over the years he and I have picked up an admiration for each others' work" -- John Yamrus (in a reply on a poetry forum on the Internet, in 2008). That's a nice self-congratulation society the two have going there, but really, there's no reason we should be drawn into it. - Biruitorul Talk 18:40, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
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 * Comment: Unfortunately, none of the arguments above do anything to establish or dis-establish a claim of N. N is not based on self-publishing, but 3rd parties. That said, the arguments are both in-depth, and amusing... Maury Markowitz (talk) 22:03, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Notability neither asserted nor demonstrated. Fails WP:BK, WP:AUTHOR, WP:BIO, WP:COI, WP:AUTO, etc. Qworty (talk) 07:52, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.