Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vasili Byros


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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  08:20, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Vasili Byros

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC, I couldn't find any reliable sources. Antila333 (talk) 07:33, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
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Hi there, I think the person in question is notable within the field of music theory (partimento, Music schemata theory and 18th century music theory), due to his many published articles (JSTOR) and his Society for Music Theory Publication Award in 2017. Ronster2019 (talk) 09:38, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Added New York Times source. Ronster2019 (talk) 14:13, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Added Google Scholar id to External Links. Ronster2019 (talk) 02:47, 15 April 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nosebagbear (talk) 17:39, 18 April 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, buidhe 20:18, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

For the interest of discussion, I'd like to comment on the significance of winning an award or being recognized by the Society of Music Theory. For music theorists, the Society for Music Theory is a really respected institution, kind of like winning an Emmy for an actor. The institution has an entry in Oxford's Grove Music Online, and is probably the most influential organization for music theory in America. Music theorists don't tour or get charted in Billboard like pop stars so judging the notability of a music scholar should be related to their respective fields of research. I'm interested to hear thoughts on this. Ronster2019 (talk) 14:16, 26 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Problem is that publishing stuff does not count for notability unless it gets independent coverage, such as book reviews. I see no indication in this case. It is only 10 years since his PhD so may be WP:TOOSOON: therefore delete. buidh<b style="color: White">e</b> 00:12, 2 May 2020 (UTC)


 * There are two book reviews for the Oxford Handbook of Topic Theory where Byros' contributions are highlighted, one by Matteo Magarotto and another by John A. Rice, both referenced in the article. The Outstanding Publication award from the Society of Music Theory is quite a significant independent award for a music theorist. Independent coverage in academia is witnessed mostly by the impact factor of publications, which is assessed by the number of citations. That number is provided independently by Google Scholar: Byros' 197 citations are each equivalent to one instance of independent coverage. Ronster2019 (talk) 15:48, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep The nomination applies the wrong standard. this person should be evaluated not against NMUSIC (which has absolutely no relevance for music theorists) but NACADEMIC: Academics meeting any one of the following conditions, as substantiated through reliable sources, are notable. emphasis in original The sources added by  demonstrate NACADEMIC#1, "...a significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed".  Specifically, their analyses of Bach and Beethoven has been called "outstanding" by multiple relevant independent academics.  The two reviews of the Oxford publication and the SMT award are independent RS for this significant impact. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:36, 2 May 2020 (UTC)


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