Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vasilije Ojdanić


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. As some commenters have pointed out, the claims to have represented (or even been involved in representing) Montenegro at the ESC hinge on one source, which merely repeats comments from the subject's Instagram account. As Optatakeover points out, there are no reliable third-party sources here at all. Black Kite (talk) 19:28, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Vasilije Ojdanić

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Non-notable individual from Montenegro. Article contains many unsubstantiated claims of success as a singer. Sources other than the individual's official website are trivial claims of attempts to enter songs for the Eurovision Song Contest. Fails WP:MUSBIO. Pickette (talk) 19:05, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Montenegro-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 23:23, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 23:23, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - surely the article needs work. adding of sources etc. but that is irrelevant to notability. per WP:GNG. has entered the national selection for Eurovision. Has obviously released plenty of music singles. There is a difference between a bad shape article and notability.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:30, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 10:09, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
 * This isn't a nomination because the bad shape of the article. There are no independent sources to verify this singer's claims of success or even notability as a performer. Claiming to have sent a song to a Eurovision national final does not make a singer notable. I could do the same; it wouldn't warrant a Wikipedia article about myself. And some of those claims can't even be verified as factual because Montenegro never held an open call for songs in 2016. This article fails WP:GNG. Pickette (talk) 01:28, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 06:47, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per Pickette's reason. Optakeover (U)(T)(C) 05:25, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * That is not a reasoning for deletion. BabbaQ (talk) 21:01, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay, let me give a reason: "This isn't a nomination because the bad shape of the article. There are no independent sources to verify this singer's claims of success or even notability as a performer. Claiming to have sent a song to a Eurovision national final does not make a singer notable. I could do the same; it wouldn't warrant a Wikipedia article about myself. And some of those claims can't even be verified as factual because Montenegro never held an open call for songs in 2016. This article fails WP:GNG." - Pickette Optakeover (U)(T)(C) 04:05, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Passes WP:GNG  (In spanish) JohnTombs48 (talk) 06:33, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Great additional sources that provides further notability. BabbaQ (talk) 21:01, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * The Spanish article you provided actually points out that his claim to be representing a country at the Eurovision Song Contest is a hoax. As are most if not all of the claims in this Wikipedia article. Pickette (talk) 22:16, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * These are primary sources of sites which are closely-associated with the Eurovision. Of course it's a given Eurovision-associated sites would talk about the people who do take part in the Eurovision. But is there any source out there which is not associated with the Eurovision, is not a primary source, is a third-party, neutral source, which talks about the person, his actual achievements and his fame/cult following/fan following/notability, as described at WP:NMUSICIAN??????? Optakeover (U)(T)(C) 12:49, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete per WP:MUSBIO and WP:HOAX. This guy has been trying to enter Eurovision for the past few years and has been the subject of multiple hoax announcements that, unfortunately, the fan press sometimes picks up on. The sources given by JohnTombs48 all say that Ojdanić lied about his participation. Here's a wiwibloggs article that describes the hoax:.
 * BabbaQ's reason to keep, saying that the subject has released multiple singles is not backed up by WP:MUSBIO as his singles did not chart, nor were they released by a major record label. Anybody can release a song and call it a single.
 * Not deleting this article would only lend credence to the subject's hoax and weaken the credibility of WikiProject Eurovision.  Mr. Gerbear | Talk 22:16, 31 October 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.