Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vatican Pornography Conspiracy


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. Rje 12:07, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Vatican Pornography Conspiracy
Delete. Previously proposed for deletion in April, but was thwarted. Basically, this is a supposed urban legend with references that don't appear to be reliable and the term only pulls up 4 hits on Google. Joe Beaudoin Jr. Think out loud 20:13, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as NN; look at the talk page, and the original author now believes it should be deleted. RGTraynor 20:20, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Symbol_delete_vote.svg|25px]] Delete. This is a nonsupported claim.  --Quintin3265 20:55, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep This urban legend is discussed at both Snopes and Straight Dope, both of which are reliable sources on the validity of urban legends. This topic is also mentioned in the Vatican Library article, and a Google search on "Vatican pornography collection" indicates this is a fairly common meme. Given that the Vatican Library is also supposed to house the world's largest collection of occult texts, perhaps the article could be renamed Vatican Library urban legends or Catholic Church urban legends, combining similar urban legends and conspiracy theories. Also, I'm sure there are references to this concept in various fictional works, which should be added to the article, with references. - CNichols 22:33, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is not Snopes.com. For rumors, go there. Fan1967 23:05, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. I may bear some responsibility for this, having created a redlink in jest after someone else used the phrase.  Still, the references are reliable IMO and could possibly be added to the mention in the short article Vatican Library of their alleged collection. Шизомби 23:43, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Excommunicate (delete). Bucketsofg✐ 00:13, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep notable urban legend. I don't see why there can't be some overlap between Wikipedia and snopes.  The two are still different. CanadianCaesar Cæsar is turn’d to hear 01:10, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep per CanadianCaesar. Quite notable.  bikeable (talk) 01:58, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep per WesBro. Notable legend.  WesBro (talk) 01:58, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - there's another variation which is often repeated; the Vatican keeps a massive library of many rare books from history in multiple languages (this is no conspiracy theory; this is true) so therefore, it contains books that have been considered pornographic by past social mores and times. - Richardcavell 02:44, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. All the relevant information, including a description of the urban legend and its debunking, is already included in the article Vatican Library. It is unlikely that anyone would look for this information under the title "Vatican Pornography Conspiracy"; there are no Google hits for that phrase outside Wikipedia and its mirrors. --Metropolitan90 03:32, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep per richardcavell --User:poechalkdust 02:07. 18 May 2006
 * Delete and Merge with Vatican Library Ydam 13:04, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Yeah, it's an urban legend, but it's a very well known one.  The article makes it clear that it's a conspiracy, not the truth. --Dakart 06:04, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.