Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vatican cuisine


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The result was   delete. Keep  Christmas Island cuisine. J04n(talk page) 00:35, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Vatican cuisine

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No evidence that there is any sort of cuisine associated with the Vatican City. The two refs are guidebooks discussing restaurants in the area of Rome around the outside of Vatican City. Pam D  20:00, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

adding Christmas Island cuisine-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  03:45, 27 April 2013 (UTC) :Keep The guides cover the restaurants around the Vatican City, the details are albeit brief. What does the Pope eat? If he didn't have any cuisine, he'd be dead surely. I can probably find more evidence that he eats fish on a Friday somewhere if you need it. Max Borin (talk) 20:14, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * delete not one hit in all of google books for the actual term Vatican cuisine. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  20:27, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * keep the vastly re-written Christmas Island cuisine-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  06:54, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete: WP:NOTTRAVEL and no hint of actual existence. Ansh666 20:32, 26 April 2013 (UTC) (note: this vote is for Vatican cuisine only. Ansh666 20:37, 29 April 2013 (UTC))
 * Keep Christmas Island cuisine - the creation of that, while intended possibly to give others a hard time, actually turned out much better than expected and hoped. Ansh666 03:10, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete the Holy See is not a proper country, the Catholic Church only pretends to be a country some of the time (i.e. when it suits its politics). Barney the barney barney (talk) 21:17, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment looking through creator's (User:Max Borin) contribs, I see lots of new page creation, including Christmas Island cuisine and Turkish Cypriot cuisine, which follow the same "format", are of the same quality, and have similar dubious sources. As an obvious new user, Max, you might want to review some project pages such as WP:NEW . Ansh666 21:36, 26 April 2013 (UTC) (Well, I'm kinda naive. Sock? Ansh666 03:10, 30 April 2013 (UTC))
 * Delete. Oh come on.  Either delete as an obvious WP:HOAX or add section on communion wafers. Qworty (talk) 23:07, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Does not seem to be a notable dish. Couldnt find anything in a search. Mkdw talk 03:48, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Vatican cuisine. Reliable sources turn up nothing. Responding to the one "keep", the mere fact that the pope eats doesn't mean that there is a Papal Cuisine, or a Vatican Cuisine. Nor is there a Wikipedia Cuisine just because Wikipedians eat, for example. First Light (talk) 04:56, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Christmas Island cuisine. First Light (talk) 20:24, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete The sources cited say nothing about cuisine within the Vatican. This is a non-subject. Maproom (talk) 08:01, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Vatican cuisine but Keep Christmas Island cuisine. Christmas Island has a long history (along with the Cocos (Keeling) Islands) of interaction with people of Malaysia and Indonesia, given their relative proximity. On the Cocos Islands this has developed into a full-blown Cocos Malay culture with very distinctive cuisine, music, rituals, heritage, etc. While nowhere near as pronounced on Christmas Island, elements of the same interaction are there and I don't think you could consider Christmas Island culture (including cuisine) to be sufficiently covered by articles like Australian cuisine. I am at a bit of a loss as to why we have Christmas Island cuisine but not Cocossian cuisine for which I think an article could quite easily be created. But, yeah, the Vatican one can go. Stalwart 111  07:53, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, the AfD was only about Vatican cuisine, but it's good to know that some of the articles User:Max Borin made can be salvaged and made useful. For any interested in the other articles made, I suggest going here. Ansh666 09:25, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * No, I understand, and I do understand the want to add the Christmas Island article too. Entirely fair enough, but I think it's a bit of a different case. I've actually spent some time re-writing it and have added some more info and references. I still strongly support the deletion of the Vatican one but hopefully I've done enough to demonstrate that the other is worth keeping. Stalwart 111  09:45, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete Vatican, keep Christmas Island. It wasn't particularly helpful to have both of them together. StAnselm (talk) 02:51, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment: This AfD is for Vatican only! Christmas Island had its own AfD, which it survived (look it up) and is now doing much better under other editors. I only referred to it to point out that the creator had made other questionable articles. Ansh666 06:42, 29 April 2013 (UTC) A search turned up nothing. I really need to get some more sleep. Ansh666 06:45, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The tag was added to the Christmas Island article by User:TheRedPenOfDoom here. StAnselm (talk) 06:47, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I realized, two days later... Ansh666 06:54, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Note to closing admin - It appears that many contributors here have based their delete !votes solely upon the Vatican cuisine article. Please note that Christmas Island cuisine was added later after this AfD was initially started for the Vatican cuisine article. Northamerica1000(talk) 07:48, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep! TRPOD (quite rightly; it was rubbish) bundled it but has since suggested it be kept. Without wanting to unduly pre-empt a close, it looks like there is still strong support for deleting the Vatican one but a change of heart about the Christmas Island one. All good. Stalwart 111  07:54, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - Christmas Island cuisine. Sources in the article such as,  indicate that this topic meets WP:N. No comment about the Vatican cuisine article at this time. Northamerica1000(talk) 07:51, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Christmas Island cuisine as something unique, but delete Vatican cuisine as something that's just silly (although somewhat amusing). Lankiveil (speak to me) 08:23, 29 April 2013 (UTC).
 * Delete Vatican item. Keep -- Christmas Island cuisine.  It seems to me very unlikely that cooking in the Vatican differs singificnatly from that of the surrounding Rome.  On the other hand, having been a completely isolated community for over 200 years (except during infrequent visits from ships), I find it wholly credible that the island has distinctive dishes.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:37, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete The Vatican is an ondipendent state but there is not a Vatican food culture, in my opinion the people in Vatican eats a mixed Italian cuisine and the cuisine of their plce of birth.The resturant close to the Vatican but outside the Vatican are not in the Vatican but in italy.User:Lucifero4
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