Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vazeh Asgarov


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Liz Read! Talk! 22:31, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Vazeh Asgarov

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There is no independent reliable sourcing about the subject. They do not meet general notability requirements nor notability requirements for academics or government officials. One of many articles spammed by a ring of editors who are singularly focused on promoting the Azerbaijani government/elites. Thenightaway (talk) 13:02, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators and Azerbaijan.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:38, 1 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Considering the large wave of Azerbaijan AfD's like this one that involve WP:MEAT, have you considered alerting WP:COIN? –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 04:21, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I have compiled a list of 20 or so accounts. It's hard to tell if it's WP:COI editing, WP:MEAT or incompetence. Thenightaway (talk) 12:23, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting, we need some clarity on ACADEMIC here. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:46, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment. Keeping high administrative positions in scientific institution is not a proof of notability. My very best wishes (talk) 00:38, 6 January 2024 (UTC) Please see discussion below. My very best wishes (talk) 05:07, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello. I don't want you to misunderstand me. But I have a question. He is the rector of the university. Doesn't that make it notable? Azerbaijan State Oil and Industry University is one of the first universities of Azerbaijan. And not a small university. Even, French-Azerbaijani University operates under this university. I have seen an article on the English wikipedia about rectors of universities much smaller than this university. Atakhanli (talk) 19:21, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * This is covered by Notability_(academics). One can argue #6 would be applicable here i.e. The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed administrative post at a major academic institution or major academic society.. I assume this means "a major academic institution" at the international, rather than national scale. What is the international academic ranking of this institution according to reputable RS?  If it is within first 500, I would say he passes #6. My very best wishes (talk) 19:44, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. So, in your opinion, how correct and fair is it to compare Azerbaijani university with the universities of giant countries such as the USA and Canada? I searched for that university in Shanghai Ranking (Academic Ranking of World Universities). No result. I even searched for Baku State University, the first university of Azerbaijan. But still no result came out. I also searched for "QS Rankings". But no university of Azerbaijan is in the TOP500. Atakhanli (talk) 20:59, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * OK, I also checked Notability_(academics) #6b ("Criterion 6 may be satisfied, for example, if the person has held the post of president or chancellor (or vice-chancellor in countries where this is the top academic post) of a significant accredited college or university, director of a highly regarded, notable academic independent research institute or center (which is not a part of a university), president of a notable national or international scholarly society, etc."). Hence, he might pass. However, after looking at this page, there seems to be a WP:COI issue with creating this and other pages. My very best wishes (talk) 23:28, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * In this case it seems like the sensible thing to do would be to compare this university to other universities in the same country, rather than against all universities internationally. But I don't know anything at all about the system in Azerbaijan so I'm not sure what would be reasonable to suggest. Is there a domestic university ranking? -- asilvering (talk) 23:41, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I doubt about this in general. For example, the best university in a very small country may not qualify as a good/notable educational institution. Therefore, one needs international rankings. However, I think that this specific institution in Baku could qualify as "a significant accredited college or university". But again, accredited by whom? For example, an advanced degree issued by this institution would probably not be recognized as such in the USA. My very best wishes (talk) 00:11, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I said that these universities are not in TOP500. But you killed it :D Of course, these universities are accredited and their diplomas are recognized around the world. Recently, even the report of accredited universities in Azerbaijan was published. I can't find it now, but I will tomorrow.
 * This university even has a dual degree program with the University of Warwick. Atakhanli (talk) 01:29, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The international acceptance of something like PhD or Candidate of Sciences degree depends on specific field. My very best wishes (talk) 05:07, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think "good" and "notable" are the same thing here, and I don't think whether its degrees are recognized in the USA is relevant to the notability of its chancellor/rector/etc. -- asilvering (talk) 07:01, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep. WP:PROF has always been interpreted to confer notability on anyone who has the highest-level academic post at a university whose degrees are widely accepted. The only reason that it doesn't simply say "at a university" is that the title "university" is not protected in the US as it is in most of the rest of the world. Phil Bridger (talk) 16:45, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Soft keep. Unless someone more familiar with higher education in Azerbaijan weighs in with good evidence that the subject does not meet WP:NPROF as the rector of Azerbaijan State Oil and Industry University, I think we should accept that argument (see comment thread above). Moreover, he has the Ordre des Palmes académiques, which indicates a certain degree of recognition in French academia. -- asilvering (talk) 07:10, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


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