Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vector (artiste) (2nd nomination)


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The result was   keep. Needs cleanup and a move — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:17, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Vector (artiste)
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Not notable, fails WP:MUSICBIO even after rewrite following previous deletions. No coverage in WP:RS, no charted music, no gold records, no national/international tours that are covered, not on major/important indie label, not a notable ensemble, not a prominent rep of a notable style, no awards/nominations, no competition wins, not in rotation nationally, and not featured in a radio/TV broadcast segment. Probably WP:TOOSOON. GregJackP  Boomer!   12:40, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 16:10, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 16:10, 12 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - presently, the article has one reliable source from the Nigerian Compass newspaper. In your nomination rationale, you state that there is "no coverage in WP:RS". Clearly, with the article in the newspaper, which is a reliable source, this point in your nomination rationale, no longer holds true. Furthermore, concerning your statement that the subject of the BLP article is "not featured in radio/TV broadcast", the Nigerian Compass newspaper has something else to report, namely that Victor The Viper "...has become a known Rap artiste in Nigeria...", and "...his hit song, Angeli is still rocking the airwaves.". This proves that he is featured on radio/tv. You might want to please update these points in your nomination rationale? Thank you. Amsaim (talk) 19:31, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - I stand by my nomination. The Nigerian Compass interview appears to be a blog, with (as of today) a total of 311 hits, written by an author whose link on the Compass website returns a 404 error - not found.  As to the second, it was a paraphrase from the MusicBio standard, #12, which states "Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network."  As far as I can determine, he has not been so featured.  Playtime is not the same as being a featured subject.  I still believe that he is not notable, and does not meet the standard of WP:MUSICBIO.   GregJackP   Boomer!   02:34, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Calling the official website of a Nigerian daily newspaper "a blog", and thereby refusing to accept Wikipedia's general acceptance of newspapers as reliable sources, has removed the basis on which reasonable discussions can take place. Thusly, there is no need for me to further this issue. Amsaim (talk) 08:17, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, perhaps I was not as clear as I should have been. The Compass is a newspaper and a reliable source.  There has been discussion on the status of blogs which are run by newspapers - whether they are reliable sources or not.  See WP:NEWSBLOG.  In previous discussions on WP:RSN the key to whether a newsblog was reliable or not was dependent on whether the paper exercised editorial control / fact-checking on the blog and if you could show that the blog author was a professional journalist.  In this specific instance I don't believe that it was, but as always, I am willing to be convinced that I was mistaken.  Based on the additional 5 sources, it is clear that this is one of the cases that I was mistaken on the GNG of the subject of the article.  I am willing to withdraw my nomination, but agree that it should be rewritten.  Regards,  GregJackP   Boomer!   11:59, 13 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep but rewrite - the article has been created by an inexperienced editor, who evidently did not acquaint herself/himself with Wikipedia's Basic Policies and Guidelines before writing the article. As a result of this, the article contains scores of unreliable sources. Yet, WP:NRVE stipulates that "...the absence of citations in an article (as distinct from the non-existence of sources) does not indicate that the subject is not notable". The subject of the BLP article has received a fair amount of coverage in reliable sources from Nigerian daily newspapers, and from Nigerian weekly magazines. ThisDay calls him "...one of Nigeria’s fast rising rapper...". The Vanguard calls him "...one of the best underground rap artistes in Lagos...". The Punch reports, that Vector Tha Viper's latest single 'Angeli' "...is on heavy rotation...". This fulfills Point No. 11 of WP:MUSICBIO, which states that "...a musician may be notable if he has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network.". With these reliable sources, WP:BASIC and WP:MUSICBIO are fulfilled, thus establishing notability. Amsaim (talk) 08:17, 13 June 2012 (UTC)


 * 1) Weak Keep Although this article may not meet WP:MUSICIAN, since there is a verifiable source, let's keep it and add tags to it for other editors to add in content that make it pass WP: MUSICIAN, as there probably is more content that can make the subject notable. Electriccatfish2 (talk) 20:41, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
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