Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vel Soap (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus.  MBisanz  talk 23:44, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Vel Soap
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Product fails to meet the notability guidelines, there is a lack of in-depth coverage of the subject. The references in the article and the previous AfD discussion do nothing more than show the product exists, which is in no way sufficient to demonstrate notability. In the first AfD the article's creator argued "it's notable because it was famous and it was famous because it was advertised"; advertising is not akin to notability. Another keep !vote was asserting notability because the product has been sold for a long time. Again, this is does not confer notability. Another keep !vote was based on the product being mentioned in a book published by the Oxford Press, The Making of a Name: The Inside Story of the Brands We Buy; the only mention of the product in that book is the words '"Mar-VEL-ous" for Vel, a soap product from Colgate-Palmolive', so again, this does not confer notability - and is given as an example of a particular advertising technique, rather than the product Vel Soap itself. The last person who argued for keeping the article said "this seems convincing enough", which is essentially meaningless; perhaps the comment is so vague because it was just one of nineteen AfD !votes or comments that user made in the space of just thirty minutes (diffs: 27 May 2016, 15:59 UTC, 16:00 UTC, also 16:00 UTC, 16:04 UTC, 16:06 UTC, 16:09 UTC, 16:10 UTC, 16:11 UTC, 16:12 UTC, 16:15 UTC, also 16:15 UTC, 16:16 UTC, 16:18 UTC, Vel Soap, also 16:18 UTC, 16:22 UTC, 16:23 UTC, also 16:23 UTC, 16:26 UTC, 16:28 UTC).

As stated in the original AfD discussion, the sources in the article are: As stated above, all of this together demonstrates nothing more than Vel's existence, not notability. YSSYguy (talk) 05:27, 8 October 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * 1) the Oxford Press book mentioned above;
 * 2) the book Sold on Radio: Advertisers in the Golden Age of Broadcasting, which has a transcript of a radio commercial for the product: "WARREN HULL: Vel cuts dishwashing time in half. RALPH PAUL: I'll say that's good sense, girls. Save half your dishwashing time with Vel...V-E-L...made by Colgate-Palmolive-Peet. Vel leaves no soap scum or streaky film to polish away so dishes and glassware gleam without wiping. Just wash with Vel, rinse..."; again, this is used as an example of an advertising technique, rather than discussion of the product itself;
 * 3) a press release from the manufacturer;
 * 4) a page from the manufacturer's Danish website;
 * 5) the book Liquid Detergents, in which the only mention of Vel is its name with fifteen other products' names in a Table titled "Antibacterial LDLD Products Marketed in Europe".
 * speedy keep product popular in Latin America, still sold in the Nordic countries...Antonio between Heaven and Hell Martin (aqui) 07:40, 8 October, 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:03, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. North America1000 02:30, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Latin America-related deletion discussions. North America1000 02:30, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Denmark-related deletion discussions. North America1000 02:31, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 10:04, 22 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete Concur with nom. The product exists as do millions of others.  Nothing given to establish notability.  A four-sentence article could be written about almost every product.  See WP:MILL MB 14:57, 22 October 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.