Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Veli Albert Kallio


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The result was   delete. -- Ed (Edgar181) 14:15, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Veli Albert Kallio

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I have proposed this page for deletion. It appears to be mainly autobiography of a non-notable private individual. The title of 'scientist' does not appear to be substantiated by by the subject having published anything in the scientific literature (there are no results for him in Google Scholar or JSTOR).

The results of a Google search for the subject do not substantiate the subject's notability: apart from the Wikipedia entry under discussion, all the results are either from social media pages, emails the subject has sent to mailing lists, or petitions the subject has signed.

There are issues with a number of the sources cited, which do not appear to meet Wikipedia's criteria for reliable sources:

Citation 1, given as a source for the claim that the subject is a Fellow of the Royal Geographical Society, links to a blog on the BBC website where the only evidence that the subject is a FRGS is in a comment on the blog made by the subject himself, along with the credential that the subject is a "Member of His Excellency President Ahmadinejad's Personal Facebook".

Citation 2 is a blog called "Green Diary".

Citation 3 is the website of the Independent newspaper which does name the subject in the context of a story about melting icecaps, but the science behind this story and the legitimacy of the 'Arctic Methane Emergency Group', naming Kallio, has been criticised by William_Connolley here: http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2012/03/17/arctic-methane-emergency-group/ (yes, I'm aware of the irony of citing a blog! Science_(Journal) makes the same point here: https://www.sciencemag.org/content/329/5992/620

Citation 4 is a brief bio on an 'invited speakers' page on a conference on religion and science, but does not contain any information relevant to the text for which the citation was given.

Citation 5 is a blog called "Psyche, Science, and Society".

Citation 6 is a dead link.

Citation 7 is a link to a video on the "Supreme Master" website of the new religious movement led by Ching_Hai.

Citation 8 is a press release.

Citation 9 is another link to Ching Hai's "Supreme Master" site.

Citation 10 is to a story on the Geographical magazine, which contains a one-sentence quote from the subject. However, the citation is not relevant to the to the text for which the citation was given.

For these reasons, I propose that the subject does not meet the notability criteria and that the page be deleted.

I've not proposed an article for deletion before so sorry if I've posted too much text or made any mistakes in process. MrLukeDevlin (talk) 04:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
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 * Very odd. Delete unless better sources are found. Xxanthippe (talk) 09:32, 25 April 2013 (UTC).
 * Comment Delete His submission to the UK parliament a couple of years ago. Note the amount of healthy endorsements including founder of the Frozen Isthmuses’ Protection Campaign of the Arctic and North Atlantic Oceans see this blog (search for FIPC), note his address. Then look at his facebook page, same picture univisity etc. Current job, works at a school in Bracknell. Degrees are in Religious studies and business management.Martin 4 5 1  (talk) 10:44, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * comment changed to delete, Ray's comment wrt FRGS was useful. Joining a society, and claiming to be the head of your own campaign does not make you notable. His claim to fame seems to be by association and meaningless qualifications and claims. Notability is not inherited, especially not from self claims.Martin 4 5 1  (talk) 09:23, 27 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment Thanks for the input Xxanthippe and Martin451. Anyone can make written submissions to Parliament: this does not provide a reliable source. Nor does it provide any "healthy endorsements" as these are all claimed affiliations made by the subject. Indeed, FIPC would appear to be non-notable in itself as it is almost entirely associated with the subject and claims made about him: a bit of a blogosphere echo-chamber. So still Delete for me. MrLukeDevlin (talk) 11:05, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry I was a bit unclear. The main point was that he makes big claims, but when you look at his facebook page, his degrees are not even science based (religion and business), he does not even have a doctorate. He works at a school but makes no claims to have a PGCE or be a teacher. He does not say what he did for a year at Newbold college (a religious college).Martin 4 5 1  (talk) 11:24, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Understood. Thanks for clarifying. MrLukeDevlin (talk) 11:31, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete I don't see anything that would confer notability here. He seems to be a peculiar combination of lower-tier activist and non-notable crank. I should note that Fellowship in the Royal Geographic Society is not an exclusive honor requiring high credentials - over 2/3rds of their approximately 15000 members are fellows, according to our page on them. You get a fellowship by going to their page, filling out the application, and paying dues, so long as you have a career involving geography . Ray  Talk 18:43, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ray. I mentioned the FRGS thing not because I thought it conferred notability, but because of the bizarre citation given for it: a comment on the blog post by the subject himself! MrLukeDevlin (talk) 08:47, 27 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete -- a secondary school teacher with an interest (evidently amateur) in researching ice in the arctic: looks NN to me. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:29, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
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