Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vem Miller


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  19:18, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Vem Miller

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Does not appear to meet WP:GNG. Only sources available are passing mentions or press releases; no in-depth coverage seems to be out there. Yunshui 雲 水 16:02, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. I can't see any in-depth coverage in relevant third-party sources. Bishonen &#124; talk 16:16, 28 January 2020 (UTC).
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:03, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete Insufficient coverage depth, per WP:BIO. OhNo itsJamie Talk 17:19, 28 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep I found these pictures with Vem Miller working with the likes of Jerry Seinfeld, John Mayer, Tyrese, the New York Mets, directing videos, and also directing a commercial for the Jerry Seinfeld Bee Movie (Links are below):

Vem Miller Directing John Mayer: Https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fc/Vemdirectingjohn2.jpg/800px-Vemdirectingjohn2.jpg

Vem Miller with Jerry Seinfield: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fd/VemandJerry2.jpg/800px-VemandJerry2.jpg

Tyrese, Keith Murray and Vem Miller: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1e/Tyrese%2C_Keith_Murray%2C_Vem_Miller.jpg/800px-Tyrese%2C_Keith_Murray%2C_Vem_Miller.jpg

Vem Miller and Jerry Seinfeld on Set: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Vem_and_jerry_seinfeld_on_set2.jpg/800px-Vem_and_jerry_seinfeld_on_set2.jpg

Vem Miller with the Mets:  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bb/Vem_and_Mets_compress2.jpg

Vem Miller in Jamaica: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/0b/Vem_in_jamaica.jpg/800px-Vem_in_jamaica.jpg


 * Keep Vem Miller is referenced in MANY in-depth ventures as seen below:

Executive producer in Television is a key creative title. He is also listed as creator of many of these shows. He's been nominated for directing MTV VMAs, BET awards, Source Magazine awards, etc.

Also, the issue is that as a music video director, he went under the name “Vem”, and then added his last name when creating and producing TV shows. Thats the confusion. He’s directed over 100 music videos.

All the prior Wikipedia links mention him by first name to have directed videos.

He is listed as the creator of Car Lot Rescue:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_Lot_Rescue

He is also listed here under director for DMX “Where the hood at”:

https://www.discogs.com/DMX-Where-The-Hood-At/release/3472733

He is listed here as the director of the John Mayer Say music video - mentioned as Vem:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Say_(song)

His IMDB shows him as the showrunner and director to multiple TV shows, music videos, and commercials:

https://m.imdb.com/name/nm4290084/filmotype/producer

In this article he is listed as a key “creative and development” producer with a production company:

https://realscreen.com/2016/04/18/nancy-glass-productions-rebrands-teams-with-sweatshop/

Here he is listed as a music video director for a classic music video:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skindred_discography

Here is another mention of his name:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_the_Girl

This video actually has his name on there as director:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3kRRMrS3e4

Here is another mention for directing this video:

https://www.videostatic.com/vs/2005/10/booked-the-click-five-vem-director.html

Here he is mentioned as the director of another classic video, again by first name only:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Riddle_(Five_for_Fighting_song)

MTV music video nomination video of year:

https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/69818/2003-mtv-video-music-awards-nominees

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Vem Miller is referenced in MANY in-depth ventures. I have a list below which are to name a few (which, I'll honestly admit, seems to be more than a lifetime of accomplishments for most):
 * In 2003, Vem Miller directed the DMX video for "Where the hood at"
 * In 2005, Vem Miller directed the Daniel Powter video for "Jimmy Gets High"
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Powter
 * In 2006, Vem Miller directed the music video for Five for Fightings The Riddle.
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Riddle_(Five_for_Fighting_song)
 * In 2007, Vem Miller directed the John Mayer music video for "Say"
 * Reference: Vem is mentioned in the article
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Say_(song)
 * In 2011, Spike TV aka Paramount Networks ordered the series Car Lot Rescue, a series created by Vem Miller
 * In 2012, Spike TV aka Paramount Networks ordered the series Tattoo Rescue from Vem Miller
 * https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/spike-tv-tattoo-rescue-pilot-ink-master-299464
 * In 2016, Vem Miller partnered up with Nancy Glass Productions
 * https://realscreen.com/2016/04/18/nancy-glass-productions-rebrands-teams-with-sweatshop/
 * In 2016, Vem Miller's show ran the pilot for the Viceland Vice Media Series Payday
 * https://www.imdb.com/name/nm4290084/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1
 * In 2017, Vem Miller launched the company Fresh Farms CBD, which has been featured on Forbes Magazine, SB Nation, TMZ, Fox News, and much more.
 * SB Nation
 * https://www.sbnation.com/a/weed-and-sports-420/green-rush
 * TMZ Cullen Jenkins Fresh Farms CBD
 * https://www.tmz.com/2018/04/01/cullen-jenkins-cbd-vicodin-get-through-games/
 * TMZ
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdGovB5E45E
 * Fox News Milwaukee
 * https://fox6now.com/2018/05/07/after-13-years-in-the-nfl-former-packers-player-becomes-part-owner-of-cbd-oil-producer-it-kept-helping/
 * Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
 * https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/03/29/former-packers-defensive-end-cullen-jenkins-now-turns-cbd-oil-pain-treatment/470127002/
 * Forbes Magazine Cullen Jenkins Fresh Farms CBD
 * https://www.forbes.com/sites/javierhasse/2019/02/01/super-bowl-champions-talk-about-the-nfls-stance-on-cannabis/#23b0b4e82995
 * Bleacher Report
 * https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2767742-cullen-jenkins-used-pills-alcohol-to-mask-pain-in-nfl-cbd-helped-him-stop
 * Buzzfeed Cullen Jenkins Fresh Farms CBD
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85-tpDB9ueY&t=1s
 * TheFarmacy.co Interview that we shared with the press get them excited about doing a piece. We guided the entire process through media savvy.
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVwui8xV0cE
 * On Milwaukee
 * https://onmilwaukee.com/sports/articles/cullen-jenkins-interview.html
 * Splimm
 * https://splimm.com/2018/04/18/cullen-jenkins-nfl-cbd/
 * NBC New Milwaukee
 * https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/ex-packer-cullen-jenkins-using-cannabis-oil-to-help-heal-his-pain
 * 247 Sports
 * https://247sports.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/Article/Former-Packers-DL-Cullen-Jenkins-becomes-part-owner-of-CBD-oil-producer-118066074/
 * Vape News
 * https://vapenews.com/vape-news/cullen-jenkins-turns-to-cbd-for-pain-relief/
 * CBD School
 * https://www.cbdschool.com/cbd-football/
 * Project CBD
 * https://www.projectcbd.org/about/press
 * In 2018, Vem Miller launched TheFarmacy.co, with a party during NBA All Star Weekend. The party featured Kourtney Kardashian, Terell Owens, Todd Gurley, and many others.
 * https://www.newswire.com/news/prohibition-is-over-nba-all-stars-celebrate-the-public-launch-of-the-20259456 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mframe007 (talk • contribs) 18:35, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. He appears to fail the GNG, and does not fulfill any CREATIVE criteria either. Coverage revolves around him merely being mentioned as executive producer for a tattoo TV show, and PR-stuff such as this. PK650 (talk) 21:54, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. We should keep this. It has multiple reliable sources, from New York Times, and Hollywood Reporter — Preceding unsigned comment added by Florence Hansen (talk • contribs) 20:44, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   21:31, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 21:37, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Delete Looking through the list of sources provided by above, I'm seeing nothing independent that gives the subject significant coverage. Indeed, without wanting to pour scorn on Mframe, their act of adding a bunch of links to Wikipedia pages seems to suggest a lack of understanding of our notability criteria - WP:UGC explicitly states that user-generated content sites (such as Wikipedia or IMBD) cannot be considered as RS, and therefore they cannot be considered when weighing notability. They seem also to be unaware that notability is not inherited - being photographed with notable people does not make one notable. 's keep vote also misses the mark - the existence of links to reliable sources like the NYT does not mean the article should be kept. Neither source gives the subject significant coverage - therefore, they are irrelevant in this discussion. (I'm sorry to be singling out the individuals for criticism in this vote - I don't want to single you out for specific criticism, but I thought it best to be specific about which argument I was referring to when commenting, and didn't want to do that without pinging you.) Girth Summit  (blether)  21:56, 4 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete. His career to date doesn't contribute enough to GNG. -- Dorama285 18:27, 05 February 2020 (UTC)


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