Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Venmurasu


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  10:23, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Venmurasu

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Per WP:GNG, I could not find significant coverage of this book (or books) in any reliable sources. I propose it be redirected to B. Jeyamohan. Odie5533 (talk) 00:06, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

This is a book series written in the Tamil language by noted author Jeyamohan. Practically every one in Tamil literary world is aware of this work. I have included 15 references already. Please state what you consider as 'reliable' sources before placing anything for deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madhusam (talk • contribs) 05:25, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete/Redirect to B. Jeyamohan per nom.. Fails WP:GNG. SW3 5DL (talk) 03:36, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Please clarify on what basis you are deleting. What sources did you check? I have given references to major magazines that discuss this 10 -volume work. India Today, The Hindu and Swarajya are major Indian newspapers and magazines that discuss this. There are Youtube videos discussing this work. You are ordering the deletion of a work without paying any attention to the references on Tamil literary scape. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madhusam (talk • contribs) 06:55, 22 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Jeyamohan writes the Venmurasu novel sequence on his website and eventually it gets published in the printed format .The entire novel sequence is available online, you can verify it in the below link. Also the printed version is available for sale in the publishers website. "Kizhakku pathippagam" publishes the book. I recommend contacting the publishers for confirmation. You can find their contact on the bottom of their website.

Venmurasu online: http://www.jeyamohan.in/%E0%AE%B5%E0%AF%86%E0%AE%A3%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%AE%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%B0%E0%AE%9A%E0%AF%81#.WIRrC7YrKAy

Publishers website: https://www.nhm.in/shop/9789384149093.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prabumrgm (talk • contribs) 08:29, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I have no doubt the work exists. I do not believe it is notable by the GNG because I was unable to find any significant coverage of the book in reliable secondary sources. Having youtube videos or multiple links to his sites does not impart notability on the subject. A simple google search for the story returns only 9,000 hits. --Odie5533 (talk) 22:00, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

--TaPari (talk) 19:41, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Dear Wiki, I am not sure you realize the volume, literary quality and readership of this all time massive work ever - 'Venmurasu' which is happening in Tamil literary context. This work which is based on the Indian epic Mahabharatha, have detailed characterization of almost all the characters related to Hindu mythology.

The writer updates one chapter everyday in his website www.jeyamohan.in from January 1, 2014. More than 900 chapters have been written so far and the readership of this epic have always increased or maintained good numbers ever since it was started 3 years ago. Am sure there will be more than 5000 unique readers on a daily basis continuously for the past 3 years (you may get exact numbers from the writer or you may refer here -https://www.similarweb.com/website/jeyamohan.in#overview). This is a quite a feat for the work of its size and that too in Tamil literary context where you may not find many readers for a literary work.

Since the work was in Tamil language and readers belong to Tamil native, obviously you wont find many articles/links/reviews in English (Though, many links have been cited by fellow contributors) and is the reason for 'only 9000 hits' when you search for Venmurasu in English font. Please try out searching for this work in Tamil font ’வெண்முரசு’ which returns 86,300 results in google as of today(I wouldn't agree measuring a literary work's importance through google search results. Giving this 86k results example just as a fact!). As a matter of fact, being a regular reader of 'Venmurasu', I have never googled it since I directly read it through authors website.

Not only the author, the readers also quite actively engaged with this work continuously and you can see the readers response to the work here: http://venmurasudiscussions.blogspot.in/ -a dedicated blogspot to save the readers response on Venmurasu which is owned and run by the writer. There are already 3636 unique letters published in this site for the 900+ chapters of Venmurasu in the last 3 years. You can find the readers letters about the work on almost all days ever since the work was started. This shows the kind of impact the work had on its readers.

Apart from the written text, most chapters of Venmurasu is accompanied by a digital painting relevant to the story's plot. This is done by the Illustrator-Shanmugavel as mentioned in the wiki page. You can see the paintings in his website (http://www.shanmuga.net/venmurasu/book1/). Paintings of first four novels are only updated in his website. But, you can find paintings for other novels also by directly going through each chapter.

Still if you want to delete the page, I can say you are unaware of what you are doing and it will be a big misfortune for Tamil literary readers and Mahabaratha's followers spread across the world. Thanks.

comment added by TaPari

--TaPari (talk) 19:41, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure what are considered to be the reliable secondary sources. There is a meeting of 35 scholars happening every month in Chennai to discuss this great work (till now this work has crossed 12000 pages, spanning across 13 novles). Please refer the link https://epicvenmurasu.wordpress.com/ for the detailed articles written on this work. These articles are the result of the discussions happened in that meeting. Please refer Chennai Meetings for more details. These meetings are happening from May 2015. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arunachalam maharajan (talk • contribs) 11:03, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Some dude's wordpress blog is not a reliable source. --Odie5533 (talk) 11:55, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

It is very doubtful if any of those recommending deletion even looked at Tamil language or Indian sources. I guess they want to see European/American sources like Jstor, Nytimes or The Guardian. The number of entries in English Google are not indicative of notability in Tamil context. It's a very patronizing way of looking at non-English/non-European works of art — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madhusam (talk • contribs) 17:08, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

°Tamil Writer Jeyamohan is writing the Indian's great Epic Mahabharatha, as a novel sequence. He has written twelve books on this series so far and all are updated in his web site ( link:- http://www.jeyamohan.in/%E0%AE%B5%E0%AF%86%E0%AE%A3%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%AE%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%B0%E0%AE%9A%E0%AF%81#.WIYwERt97IU ), out of which ten books are released as paperpack by Kizhakku publishers. You can search for the books "venmurasu" in the link provided here ( link:-https://www.nhm.in/shop/search.php?mode=search&page=1&keep_https=yes  )

You can also refer the below link. It came on Tamil's leading newspaper Dinamani during 2014 ( Dinamani is Tamil daily newspaper. The newspaper was established in 1933 and is owned by The New Indian Express Group )

http://www.dinamani.com/all-editions/edition-chennai/chennai/2014/jan/23/%E0%AE%AE%E0%AE%95%E0%AE%BE%E0%AE%AA%E0%AE%BE%E0%AE%B0%E0%AE%A4%E0%AE%AE%E0%AF%8D-%E0%AE%95%E0%AF%8A%E0%AE%9F%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%A4%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%A4-%E0%AE%B5%E0%AF%86%E0%AE%B3%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%9A%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%9A%E0%AE%AE-825484.html

This link is from Straitstimes ( an English-language daily broadsheet newspaper based in Singapore currently owned by Singapore Press Holdings (SPH))

http://www.straitstimes.com/lifestyle/novelist-once-begged-around-india

Below two links says the reviews of the novell during its book release function happened on November 2014.These updates are from Tamil's popular daily newspapers / Online news

Dinamani:- ( Dinamani is Tamil daily newspaper. The newspaper was established in 1933 and is owned by The New Indian Express Group )

http://www.dinamani.com/cinema/2014/nov/10/நானும்-கமலும்-செய்ய-முடியாத-1009873.html

The Hindu ( Tamil ) ( The Hindu (Tamil) (Tamil: தி இந்து) is a Tamil daily newspaper published by The Hindu Group)

http://m.tamil.thehindu.com/general/literature/கூடவே-பயணிக்கும்-வெண்முரசு/article6469421

http://m.indiaglitz.com/kamal-and-illayaraja-on-mahabharatha-novel-tamil-news-118282.html

below page has the reviews for the Venmurasu Novel sequences

http://solvanam.com/?p=35582

The YouTube link given below has all the reviews for the Venmurasu Novell. Reviews are given my Veteran writers in Tamil litrature and creators in Tamil Film Industry

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Nq4wl4QCG5DFngFPb6nGA

Please refer the links above and keep the venmurasu wiki page always active. Thank you

Hi See below the reference to Venmurasu from The Hindu, a national newspaper in India. http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/Jeyamohan-says-he-turned-down-Padma-award/article14020899.ece

This link below from an interview of the Author published in Singapore. http://www.straitstimes.com/lifestyle/novelist-once-begged-around-india

One more link from Leading Indian news paper http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/sharad-joshis-family-tamil-writer-say-no-to-padma-honour/

Leading Tamil/Indian cinema personalities on the novel http://www.indiaglitz.com/kamal-and-illayaraja-on-mahabharatha-novel-tamil-news-118282.html

it is not some dude's Wordpress blog it is the blog/website of the writer himself which is one of the leading websites in India. (global ranking 252,017 and India Ranking 13000 as per www.similarweb.com) I request you to consult someone from Tamil wiki team to check and verify this than rejecting this. Thanks.

@Odie, The wikipedia guidelines for reliable secondary sources says Mainstream Newspapers, Magazines and Journals including electronic media could be used as reliable secondary source. It is clearly stated in the guidelines that the references can be from any language not necessarily English. Reference from major Indian newspaper has already been given. I'm here just highlighting the authors of the articles and opinions.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/sharad-joshis-family-tamil-writer-say-no-to-padma-honour/ - This article written by the Indian Express editorial team mentions Venmurasu and the nature of the work.

http://www.dinamani.com/cinema/2014/nov/10/%E0%AE%A8%E0%AE%BE%E0%AE%A9%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%AE%E0%AF%8D-%E0%AE%95%E0%AE%AE%E0%AE%B2%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%AE%E0%AF%8D-%E0%AE%9A%E0%AF%86%E0%AE%AF%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%AF-%E0%AE%AE%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%9F%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%AF%E0%AE%BE%E0%AE%A4-1009873.html - In this interview, Ilaiyaraaja, a Padhma bushan award(third highest civilian ward given by Republic of India), holder opines on the work.

Are they not reliable sources as per GNG? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prabumrgm (talk • contribs) 10:09, January 25, 2017 (UTC)

This is serial of books, the story based on Mahabharatam.the first volume muthal kanal started on 3 years back, now 12 volumes are finished nearly 12000 pages story.The book was not completed yet, that why no major functions are conducted.But it is important book on Tamil.Tamil literature world deeply listening  this book serial. No one give major positive and negative comments, because  it effort writter sprit. In near future many people celebrat this book.the person,"Who Suggest to  delete this book", has no knowledge about current Tamil literature. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Conboy19 (talk • Bold textcontribs) 06:44, January 26, 2017 (UTC)
 * I am not entirely sure who all I am replying to, but I did look over the sources provided. Many of them are reliable sources and I don't dispute this. They do not, however, offer significant coverage of the subject, that is, the novel itself. They mainly cover the writer, which is why I recommend the article be redirected to his article. Note that his own blog, an interview he gave, and short blurbs do not support notability either. To support notability, they must be secondary sources offering significant coverage of the novel. The only one I saw that qualifies is the source provided below by K.e.coffman, and I can not confirm if the writing of the author "Jataayu" is reliable. --Odie5533 (talk) 17:16, 29 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep. Trying to correct for cultural bias, and admittedly going out on a limb do to so, Seems to be perhaps the major work of a major author. I can at least verify that the series is in Worldcat. I do not have the language ability to do more than that, & there's the added complexity of possible alternate transcriptions.  I suggest the contributor add the Tamil titles of the individual parts, at least.  DGG ( talk ) 04:40, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The author does have an article. I don't think it's a cultural bias here because Tamil newspapers simply aren't writing significant articles about the novel. I don't dispute the work exists. I just don't think it's notable. --Odie5533 (talk) 17:19, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   17:18, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. Of all the keep !votes, only one of them (DGG's) doesn't appear to be canvassed. KATMAKROFAN (talk) 17:52, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:16, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:16, 28 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep -- this is a well referenced article on an apparently notable book that is somewhat of a cultural phenomenon. This review "Venmurasu: A Sublime Literary Masterpiece In The Making" seems to confirm it; this appears to be a legit review. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:21, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

•To the ones who argues for keeping, I feel that probably, if the Outline section of the article is given any sources this dispute wouldn’t have raised. Mr Odie5533, has no dispute about the existence of the novel or the reliability of the sources given. I believe he just consider that most of the sources cover the efforts for the novel by the writer, appreciations, neglecting the content of the novel itself in a great manner, which is why he suggests that the article should be redirected to the author’s. I agree with it and in that case the content is not supporting notability.

But @Odie5533, with all due respect, I should say that those were statements produced from the pure ignorance about the prevailing nature of the Tamil literary world. One could not find this large amount of data or opinions anywhere about another particular novel in Tamil.

I can see that you could find no reference about the content in any international journals or so (JSTOR, Shodhganga…). I could not much comment on that, but simply say that it is due to the prevailing research oriented attitude in institutions here. We see for a book to be acknowledged here takes even decades. But a tremendous effort like “Venmurasu” shall not be left unseen for that matter. I can also see the hesitations in the words who argue for keeping this. As a student of literature and reader of the novel, I knew that anything they say much will be exaggerations (for those who has not read) because of its majesty in nature.

Wiki norms: If you still are unsatisfied and do not take this as an argument, I would strongly suggest to take the help of Tamil wiki experts. There are much evident articles in ‘solvanam’ and ‘venmurasu discussions’ links about the content of the novel you seek for. I don’t think that just lacking the ability to understand the language, in the given links, would probably lead to deletion or redirection. As mentioned,it’s a major work of a major author. Keep. Srini94 (talk) 10:42, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Kungumam - A leading Tamil Weekly Interview about the Novel https://www.facebook.com/pg/venmurasu/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1570223559866457 (Its prited weekly ,not possible to give Online link ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arangasamy (talk • contribs) 08:39, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

 Keep . Can you please specify the criteria for what constitutes an important literary work? As per your previous comments, it seems like coverage in a major media outlet about the work (and not just the author) is an important criteria.

If so, then this article alone will satisfy the criteria: (1) This is an article about the work (Venmurasu) and not just the author (Jeyamohan) (2) Swarajya is a major news outlet in India. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swarajya_(magazine) (3) The novel release function was attended by some of the top personalities (Kamal Haasan and Ilaiyaraja) of Tamil Nadu, thereby providing enough credibility and legitimacy for the endeavor.

It is also covered by one of the largest networks in Southern India (Star Vijay), which has a 12 million viewership; The video url of the book release function posted here was not just a *mere* Youtube link; It is a web stream capture of the TV broadcast of this major TV network (please see the Logo of the TV network on the top-right hand corner of the video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zctRnEVukXg

See links below: Swarajya Article: https://swarajyamag.com/culture/venmurasu-a-sublime-literary-masterpiece-in-the-making Star Vijay TV viewership - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Vijay http://www.televisionpost.com/television/sun-tv-leads-viewership-charts-across-genres-barc/ http://www.afaqs.com/news/story/44063_BARC-releases-first-set-of-TV-ratings Media personalities/stars who attended the function and released the book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamal_Haasan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilaiyaraaja

It will be good if you can provide an explanation of why this article and the magazine (Swarajya) does not fit the Wikipedia criteria? More links to news media coverage were provided by other Wiki users. Only if the clear criteria is provided, readers can provide adequate sources. Badabheem (talk)badabheem —Preceding undated comment added 19:50, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Kgsat (talk) 21:49, 6 February 2017 (UTC) @Odie5533 I am referring the notability guide.  A topic is presumed to merit an article if: 1. It meets either the general notability guideline below, or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific guideline listed in the box on the right; and 2. It is not excluded under the What Wikipedia is not policy.  As per the guide above, books have their own guideline which need to be followed

Following is the notability guideline for books in particular A book is notable if it verifiably meets, through reliable sources, at least one of the following criteria:  The book has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself. This includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries, bestseller lists, and reviews. This excludes media re-prints of press releases, flap copy, or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book. The book has won a major literary award. The book has been considered by reliable sources to have made a significant contribution to a notable or significant motion picture, or other art form, or event or political or religious movement. The book is, or has been, the subject of instruction at two or more schools, colleges, universities or post-graduate programs in any particular country. The book's author is so historically significant that any of the author's written works may be considered notable. This does not simply mean that the book's author is notable by Wikipedia's standards; rather, the book's author is of exceptional significance and the author's life and body of written work would be a common subject of academic study. The five preceding criteria do not necessarily apply to books excluded by the threshold standards, and do not apply to books not yet published. </li> </ol>

Evidence for item 1 I have provided 11 pieces of evidence below(as against minimum requirement of two). Also, the notability guideline doesn't state such reviews need to be in english only. The guideline only states such reviews need to be non-trivial. <ol type='1'> <li>Newspaper Article in Dinamani. Wiki page for Dinamani, a leading Tamil Newspaper <li>Newspaper article in dinamalar  Wiki page for dinamalar </li> <li>Magazine article in Swarajyamag page for Swarajyamag. </li> <li> Newspaper article in Straits Times of Singapore Wikipage for Straits Times </li> <li> Writer Nanjil Nadan's review of Venmurasu Wiki page of Nanjil Nadan </li> <li> Actor Kamal Haasan's review of Venmurasu Wiki page of Kamal Haasan </li> <li> Director Vasantha Balan's review of Venmurasu Wiki page of Vasantha Balan </li> <li> Writer A.Muthulingam's review of Venmurasu Wiki page of A. Muthulingam </li> <li> Writer Indira Parthasarathy's review of Venmurasu Wiki page of Indira Parthasarathy </li> <li> Prof. Swarnavel Eswaran Pillai's review of Venmurasu Profile of Swarnavel Eswaran Pillai, Professor of Creative Writing Michigan State University </li> <li> Composer Ilaiyaraaja's review of Venmurasu Wiki page of Ilaiyaraaja </li> </ol>

Evidences for item 5 f the author is historically significant, then his books merit a separate article. The author is considered one among the eminent writers in India and he was awarded one of the top civilian awards Padma Shree by the Government of India. The author refused the award citing neutrality of his views. Further more, by sheer volume of his work, considering the number of published pages both in paper and online alone make the author a historically significant person. <li> Indian Express article on author rejecting leading civilian award from Indian Government Wiki page for Padma Shri award rejected by the author   Wiki page for Indian Express </li> <li>The Singapore Government through its ministry of education invited the author to Singapore to be author in residence and teach courses on fiction.. </li> <li> Singapore National Library Board declaring him Tamil Author of year 2011 </li> <li> National Arts council of Singapore's announcing participation of Mr. Jeyamohan in the International Author's section </li> Wiki page for Venmurasu in Tamil Language There is already a well developed wiki page in Tamil for Venmurasu </ol> Winner of Leading Tamil Literary award Look at the following Wiki page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tamil_Literary_Garden. This wiki page is about a literary award part sponsored by University of Toronto. Jeyamohan was awarded the best author prize in 2015. So, there exists a wiki page that meets all the notability guide lines. The wiki page is accepted as a valid source of information. The wiki page pertains to literary awards. There is mention of Mr. Jeyamohan winning the award in 2015.

<i> Verifiability In Wikipedia, verifiability means that other people using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source. Wikipedia does not publish original research. Its content is determined by previously published information rather than the beliefs or experiences of its editors. Even if you're sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it.[1] When reliable sources disagree, maintain a neutral point of view and present what the various sources say, giving each side its due weight. </i>

Verifiability doesn't mean publication in English only. Major reviews published in leading Tamil language newspapers and video reviews in youtube are valid sources for verifiability. You have failed also to take into account that such newspapers and the eminient personalities providing video reviews have a valid wiki entry. @Odie5533 If you still insist on deleting the seperate page for this book series, please give a definitive answer citing notability guidelines <ol type ='1'> <li> Why is not Jeyamohan an author of historical significance?</li> <li>Why are not the evidences submitted so far in terms of reviews from independent publications not sufficient to satisfy the condition laid down by rule 1 mention above in the notability guideline for books and verifiability rules of wikipedia? </li> </ol>

Thanks

Satish (London)

Kgsat (talk) 21:49, 6 February 2017 (UTC)


 * If I may ask, why are so many of the Tamil writers only discussing the work on YouTube? Why don't they write articles about the great and famous novel? The articles you've posted either do not deal with the novel in in-depth coverage, or are an interview with the author and so do not support notability, or they are a very short announcement style article that don't go in-depth about it. Above was posted a Facebook link to a Swarajya article. Although I don't speak a word of Tamil, I noticed the caption for post says it is an interview. If this is so, then it too does not support notability. Frankly I am not willing to concede that point 5 for the book notability criteria is met. I do not believe the author rises to that level of historical significance at this time, and so everything he has ever penned does not derive notability from him and instead must show notability themselves.
 * For criteria 1, what I'd look for is for one reviewer out there, of the supposedly countless academics, journalists, and critics who are reading the novel, to have written a single review of some of the novel's chapters and get it published it an independent publication. Does such a review or critique exist? Or are the sources shown, of interviews, brief announcements, and YouTube sit-downs, all that exist? --Odie5533 (talk) 07:01, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Jeyamohan is an acclaimed writer and this is one his most stellar work to date and is being followed and reviewed across the globe. There are several Tamil language newpapers and sites which refers these. Sevaral inputs have been provided. This is being removed just because someone complained?

Msathia (talk) 07:02, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <small style="color:#999;white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:lightgrey 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">&mdash; <big style="color:#ffa439">Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 03:07, 7 February 2017 (UTC) Venmurasu is a significant effort in modern tamil literature. The great epic Mahabharatha is being rewritten as a modern tamil novel by Jayamohan. I am a reader in tamil literature and everyday reading this. Deleting an article on Venmurasu simply because the great work is being ignored by major english and tamil magaznes is absurd. On the contrary viki pedia should make it possible to enable many readers to notice thisIf Viki pedia deletes this it is a great injustice to Tamil world by viki pedia. By A common man A.Ramakrishnan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.50.19.47 (talk) 16:06, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Keep In addition to the above evidences you can see below the videos from the Launch of the first 5 books in the series. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zctRnEVukXg&feature=youtu.be You may argue that the function was organised by the Author and his friends, but look at the number of public participants. They cannot be 'arranged'. This is considered one of the major book launch events in Tamilnadu and in most parts of India which was telecast in Star Vijay TV (part of the international Star media group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Vijay ). I hope that shows the significance of Venmurasu in addition to the other evidences. The page itself may not be significant for someone not concerned with India or Tamil culture but it would help millions of Indians and Tamils who use English as second language and as langage of cross-cultural conversations. It would be a great service to that effect keeping with some of the core principles of Wikipedia. Thanks for looking into this guys. You all do great service to humanity and we much appreciate the work being done and especially your commitment to having thr right content. Cvalex (talk) 11:00, 7 February 2017 (UTC)Cyril Alex

Keep In the Venmurasu Novel introduction video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zctRnEVukXg&feature=youtu.be ) you can see Mr. Ashokamitran as the chair person and he is regarded as the foremost literary figure in Tamil.(*see Pulitzer Prize winner Aravind Adiga's remarks on Ashokamitran http://www.outlookindia.com/magazine/story/the-boss-will-see-you-now/285083). Do you think it is possible if Jeyamohan is not a person of historical significance, all these important people will gather to introduce his "Venmurasu" navel? . This page should not be removed. If you have further questions and do not understand Tamil language and its landscape, please add additional admins who are well versed in this area. Bala.TX — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.190.157.9 (talk) 02:53, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Keep:- I am not sure how we can measure the vernacular Literary  work based on the numbers of search in the english, This is one of the marvelous work ever read in Tamil or English. I understand Wiki rules needs to have the secondary reference i believe the above notes are given reasonable proof the work is existing and followed by enough people. Whether the wiki page about Venmurasu is there are not that is nothing to do with popular tamil contemporary works worthiness. I felt Wiki follows quality not the quantity of people follows. Please keep it, it is worth one in Wiki.-PP

Keep: - The following are verifiable facts. 1. The author has won several awards for his literary contribution. The Indian government has awarded him a Padmashri award (which the author refused). He has been the recipient of Iyal award. 2. The author is a popular screenwriter and has contributed to several Tamil films including Angadith Theru, Kadal, Papanasam and several others. 3. Sheer length of the work makes it a notable one. This is a work of epic proportions that has run into more than 1200 chapters and 10000 pages. More than 10 parts of the book has been published. It is expected that this work will run into further 1800 chapters and will probably end up having 30000 pages. (This is the author's stated intention). 4. The content of the work is a retelling of Mahabharatha, an ancient Indian epic. 5. Widely popular in Tamil. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rvsubbu (talk • contribs) 18:24, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Keep: Reply to Odie5533 - I had added 3 reviews of the book series on the online magazine Solvanam, please check the references section. There is also a 7-part review of the first book by critic and poet Marabinmaindan Muthiah. These do satisfy your minimum notability requirements. Madhusam (talk) 02:49, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


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