Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ventryn


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to List of Ultima series characters. History kept if someone wants to merge some stuff as it appears there were a few acceptable sources there. Cirt (talk) 02:55, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Ventryn

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This character does not establish notability independent of its series. Without coverage in reliable third party sources, it is just made up of unnecessary plot summary and original research. TTN (talk) 22:36, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment - It says here that primary sources can be used as long as no analyses of them is made. For a fictional work, I think it is clear that the original source of the material is all that is needed if it is only described here (since there is no possibility of conflict when it comes to the accuracy of what is released by the original source, since it's clearly fictional).  That said, without a reliable third-party source, it may not be notable enough for Wikipedia, and all analysis should be removed, leaving only the descriptive parts if it is kept. --Sydius (talk) 22:44, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment I did a quick search and found a lot of sources from Ultima Online-affiliated web sites (sites at least partially dedicated to the subject), and, of course, primary sources for the information. I could find nothing from news.google.com or scholar.google.com, and I doubt there would be anything outside of the Ultima Online community regarding this subject.  So it may very well fail notability requirements if primary sources and sites partially dedicated to Ultima Online aren't enough. --Sydius (talk) 20:10, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletions. MuZemike (talk) 20:37, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. WP:GNG and WP:PLOT apply here, as clarified in WP:VGSCOPE. ~ Ningauble (talk) 17:21, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:08, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete i see no evidence that this character is or every was of any significance. DGG (talk) 04:57, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge per everyone, notable unoriginal research verified in reliable sources. Needs to exist in some capacity.  Also per boilerplate nomination “rationales” across multiple AfDs.--63.3.1.2 (talk) 14:38, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  17:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I think it on the fringe of notability, but I side on inclusion. I'd say merge, but I wouldn't know to what. --Sydius (talk) 17:31, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * (Merge or) Delete Purely in-universe, written as if he actually existed (WP:NOT, WP:WAF). I've had a look at the listed sources, and they are terribly in-universe and are, frankly, unusable for a proper wikipedia article. None of the articles listed under Category:Ultima characters lend themselves as obvious merge targets, so deletion and starting new seems the best solution. – sgeureka t•c 18:17, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete- none of the references listed are reliable secondary sources. Fails WP:N. Reyk  YO!  20:40, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - as mentioned above, WP:WAF and WP:Notability guidelines are the major issue here. Marasmusine (talk) 11:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete for lack of reliable third-party sources, thus failing WP:N. Randomran (talk) 19:28, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of Ultima series characters per WP:NOT, in-universe style, and lack of any secondary sources establishing notability. However, it is a viable search term. MuZemike  ( talk ) 21:04, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of Ultima series characters per MuZemike --Sydius (talk) 00:33, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.