Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Veotag


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was delete. bainer (talk) 15:38, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Veotag
Closer's notes

In determining the final consensus, the comments of unregistered users were disregarded. The comments of Glen63d, whose only contributions to this date have been to this debate, were also disregarded.



non-notable website, fails WP:WEB. Some Google hits, but only a small fraction of those are unique, and none that meet WP:WEB's criteria of the site being "the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the site itself." This article is also the next logical step in a spamming campaign by My Three Sons (talk • contribs • [ page moves ] • block user • [ block log ]) and his IP 69.142.234.133 (talk • contribs • WHOIS • block user • [ block log ]), during which he has been spamming links to veotag and a site that is affiliated with veotag and now wikilinks to this article. --AbsolutDan (talk) 16:09, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Zos 17:06, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Do Not Delete: This is an incredibly useful tool for online video content, and it would be a loss to the online community were information about veotag not accessible on Wikipedia. I understand that the service is new, thus explaining why it does not have many Google hits and the like.  The burden of evidence lies with those wishing to delete this article; that veotag is free to individuals alone ought be convincing enough that this factual article is not part of a "spamming campaign."  In any event, I see no harm in allowing this article to continue to exist on Wikipedia, exposing users to a tool meant to help disseminate information, much as Wikipedia is meant to do. --Glen63D 23:22, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Just because it's useful, doesn't mean it's notable. --NMChico24 00:35, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * On notability, from Wikipedia's entry: "Many editors also believe that it is fair test of whether a subject has achieved sufficient external notice to ensure that it can be covered from a neutral point of view based on verifiable information from reliable sources, without straying into original research (all of which are formal policies)." A Google search for "veotag" results in 30,000 hits; obviously not all of these hits are useful or reliable sources, but the 126 that Google considers unique each explain, separately, what the service is from what can only be considered a netural point of view.  Considering that notability in and of itself is not a formal Wikipedia policy, and that veotag seems to meet the most succinct "test" available to meet said criterion even though it is not a formal policy, veotag ought not be deleted. --Glen63D 11:06, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom --NMChico24 00:35, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. SM247 My Talk  00:41, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Veotag appears to be a promising technology addressing an important Video Usalibity problem on Internet. I see no reason why it should not be covered on Wikipedia. The technology may not have had widespread commercial success yet but it works and the result for end-users is very appealing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.54.94.25 (talk • contribs) 04:08, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Do Not Delete: Veotag is a tremendous resource that I would not have used had I not found it on Wikipedia. It seems that there is a lot of discussion about the policies of your website, but have any of you actually used veotag's service?  It is definitely worth trying before you make a decision about deleting it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.99.52.136 (talk • contribs) 15:30, 2 July 2006  (UTC)


 * Do Not Delete The veotag offering does meet the criteria to be included in Wikipedia because it addresses the the fastest growth area of the internet ( online streaming video, long format in particular ) with a set end user tools that are destined to be prolific.  While it might not have widespread public relations machine of a YouTube or Google Video, it does have significant adoption of online education thought leaders like Jazz at Lincoln Center in New York, The New York Better Business Bureau, the Catholic Church, and a consortium of Nine Universities in Scotland.  The offering is notable as it is an enabling technology that makes long format videos easier to view, easier to understand, and by submitting the annotations and comments to search engines, easier to find.  By deleting the page prior to viewing veotagged videos by Jazz at Lincoln Center (Jazz at Lincoln Center Distance Education ) or the videos from Princeton or Stanford Universities ( Princeton & Stanford Lecture Series Videos) would be a deriliction of duty for the wikipedia editors and a disservice to the wikipedia community. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by My Three Sons (talk • contribs) 21:18, 2 July 2006  (UTC)
 * Delete currently not notable. Maybe this will merit an article in the future, but it does not appear to now. --Pboyd04 23:48, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Do Not Delete Perhaps the forum entry is being misunderstood as advertising. There are 2 reasons why veotag should stay in the wikipedia:

First, veotag does something new and unusual. It participates in the web in a new way by automatically exporting the tags created in a video to all the major search engines. Thus the use of the product adds to overall semantic information in the WWW. This feature allows people to open any video like a book for reference changing it from a long pipe to something that can be accessed randomly.

At last count, there were more than 29000 entries on Google for veotag - many of them differ in a way which is non-trivial. Quite a few blogs are using the product as a way of telling their story more effectively.

It would seem appropriate to add this to the list of entries be-- 19:52, 2 July 2006 (UTC)cause it is not something for the dictionary but is of public interest -

Veotag is a method and way of indexing video. It happens to be a company. Google, Is also a company on Wikipedia. What do both the Veotag entry and Google have in common? They define to the public what they are and there basic technology method. What happens when someone tells me to veotag my video. "What is veotagging?" I say. I go to Wikipedia and find out. --Jkarol 19:52, 2 July 2006 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.216.76.11 (talk • contribs) The above comment was copied here from the "discussion" section on "veotag" article proper. It made sense as a clear argument for "Do not Delete". Other such comments can be seen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Veotag --216.216.76.11 17:54, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.