Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Verónica Chen


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The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Eddie891 Talk Work 00:50, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Verónica Chen

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Fails WP:Director and WP:GNG. I have performed a WP:BEFORE check and failed to find anything independent and secondary covering specifically Verónica Chen. Out of two sources provided in the article, one is an interview, and cannot be used to establish her notability. The Spanish-language article is similarly empty. It does mention that her film Marea Alta was nominated for a Sundance Award, and has some coverage and reviews, but that is a property of Marea Alta and not of Chen herself. Jaguarnik (talk) 00:53, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Argentina-related deletion discussions. A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 05:00, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 05:00, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Jaguarnik, don't forget to notify the article's creator about this AfD. You can use Template:Afd notice. -- A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 05:06, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. Jaguarnik (talk) 05:15, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment: I expanded Ms. Chen's filmography by adding links to films that had articles on es.wikipedia. This does not address notability. I haven't had time to look yet.
 * -- A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 05:46, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers and Women.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:12, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

And one of them from La Vanguardia does not even mention Ms. Chen or her work at all.
 * Keep. I created this biography in 2014. Today, I converted 2 of the bare URLs into references; translated a bit more from the Catalan-language biography; added 1 photo; and added 1 more sentence with a new reference. IMO, it's worth noting that 7 other language Wikipedias (Arabic, Catalan, Egyptian Arabic, French, Kazakh, Russian, and Spanish) all have articles about her; that said, of course, the subject must meet EN-WP policy requirements. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:24, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The Russian and Kazakh pages are very empty and don't really indicate her notability - I know you are not using their existence as an argument for Chen's notability, but I believe specifically those two are there just because someone auto-translated them, and wouldn't pass for notability. I do not believe she is known worldwide.
 * For the 3 sources you added today, one from cines.com has poor grammar and seems autogenerated. "Verónica Chen they look for professionals in their cast who know how to get into the role and who have that almost magical ability to move viewers as if the story were being lived by themselves. Wu-Chao Ting, Héctor Díaz, Haien Qiu, Gloria Carrá, Nicolás Mateo are the chosen performers in some of his films due to their great stage talent. A director like Verónica Chen makes his best films in the Thriller genre. These themes are the most used by this director to recreate himself in his artistic works."
 * TSventon noted down below that a whole chapter in a book about Argentinan filmmaking is devoted to her, so it may be that she is notable, but I don't believe these sources from the Internet prove her notability. Jaguarnik (talk) 20:05, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment: There is a chapter on Chen in Contemporary Argentine Women Filmmakers (Mirna Vohnsen, ‎Daniel Mourenza · 2023), pages 201 to 216, partly available on Google books which suggests that she is notable. TSventon (talk) 19:30, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * It would be good if someone could use that book to fill out Chen's biography, if they have access to it.Jaguarnik (talk) 19:51, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Here's a link to an abstract of that chapter.
 * -- A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 20:24, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per the source found by TSventon. Gamaliel  ( talk ) 19:59, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Strong keep per the the book found by TSventon. Also, while I'm unsure Rosiestep's refs fully establish notability, I very much appreciate all the work she's put in to improving the article in the last 24 hours. It's much, much better.
 * -- A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 20:30, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, . --Rosiestep (talk) 23:39, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

T. E. Meeks (talk) 17:10, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment 2: I have aded the chapter as a source. It is mostly analysis of her films with little biographical information. I have also searched in the Wikipedia Library and found another piece by Beatriz Urraca, La configuración de la mirada en dos películas de Verónica Chen from Hispanic Research journal, Vol. 11 No. 4, September, 2010, 338–52. TSventon (talk) 20:45, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the resource. I think it would fit well in a section about her career, or her reception; I will begin working on it. Jaguarnik (talk) 23:05, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: Following the recent improvements, the article certainly meets notability requirements.--Ipigott (talk) 06:27, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: I feel confident with the sources added and improvements made that the subject definitively passes the notability threshold and should therefore be kept. -- A Rose Wolf  17:20, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep Thanks to WP:KERRRZAPPP. MrsSnoozyTurtle 09:30, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: The article meets notability requirements and is much improved.


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