Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vera von Blumenthal


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was No consensus, default keep as stub. —Quarl (talk) 2006-12-27 08:04Z 

Vera von Blumenthal



 * Delete She made pottery? Half of the article is about her partner, who apparently was the first person to fly in a plane over New Mexico or what have you. Just H 04:46, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - 5 non-wiki ghits, one from Answers.com, one from myspace, one in Japanese and one missing. Fails WP:V. MER-C 04:59, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - Non-notable. ŞρІϊţ ۞ ĨήƒϊήίтҰ (тąιк 05:23, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, non-notable, unverifiable. Ter e nce Ong 05:25, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - von Blumenthal was an important part of early 20th Century Northern New Mexico history, and as the article stated, was a key part of the development of the Native American pottery industry. I had hoped that contributers with more knowledge of this person would add to the article, but that didn't happen.  Perhaps marking it as the appropriate stub for some time would attract some help. Chyeburashka 05:28, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom. Chovain 05:33, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Reluctant delete. There's only one real side reference (plus its one obscure book source and one JSTOR article). Not enough for a real article that establishes the importance (such as "key part"). It sounds interesting but without verifiability it's almost impossible to write a proper article. --Dhartung | Talk 09:15, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep and reduce to a stub that is supported by the sources mentioned by Dhartung. - Mgm|(talk) 11:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete I see nothing of note here. Since when is giving people advice on whether their product is marketable, without more, grounds for an encyclopedia article? Allon Fambrizzi 02:27, 20 December 2006 (UTC)Allon Fambrizzi
 * To address this specifically: Pottery is a Big Deal to the Pueblo people of northern New Mexico, being an artistic commodity of so much significance that some of the pueblos derive a goodly part of their income by selling it. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 15:35, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. A significant figure in the history/archaeology of Bandelier National Monument and northern New Mexico.  Verifiable by way of the monument's literature; I have added a reference reflecting this, with possible elaboration to follow. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 14:42, 20 December 2006 (UTC) Update: I've been doing some more research on this woman, about whom there is a master's thesis (not mine) in preparation.  I am convinced that she passes the "notability" test for anyone interested in Native American art and will elaborate if there is interest.  However, the "verifiable" part is rough, because the MA researcher has learned that much of what's been written about VvB (and there is more than is reflected in the current article) is incorrect.  Possibly the best courses of action are either to keep the article as a stub, or delete it "without prejudice," allowing for re-creation once that thesis is published; to do otherwise might require "primary research," and the thesis itself will eventually become a good primary source that isn't available yet. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 21:44, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
 * In accordance with recommendations by MacGyverMagic and Bill-on-the-Hill, I've reduced the article to a bare stub, redacting information which is not verfiable, and adding alternate (and possibly more correct) spellings of names. Chyeburashka 03:24, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


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