Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Verb T (2nd nomination)


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The result was   no consensus. 21 days old, no real consensus here Courcelles 17:00, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Verb T
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Not notable. Google turns up almost exclusively material from the record label, from the artist himself, and interviews, but nothing that establishes this musician's notability.  T K K ! bark with me if you're my dog! 12:43, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

I should admit that as a fan I am slightly biased with regards to UK Hip Hop, but I think I can demonstrate that WP:NMUSIC is just met. There isn't any coverage in mainstream media, but Verb T has been around for years and there are quite a lot of things in magazines e.g. this, this, this, this, this and UKHH.com and rapnews.co.uk which used to be the go-to places for UKHH information. The Four Owls are probably the most well known UKHH group ever (I've never got round to writing an article, but it would be easy) as this shows. I admit these sources aren't the best in the world, but for more obscure music genres they're all that there is. Hopefully they show that while he's by no means a household name, he isn't a complete nobody either, and that we could write a neutral article about him. SmartSE (talk) 14:01, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep nothing has changed since June so I'm going to copy my rationale from the previous AFD:


 * Actually something has changed... this review for a new album states:
 * "UK hip hop veteran Verb T has been riding the cusp of the music scene for 15 years and has never failed to impress his supporters with every release. From his time with Lowlife Records, YNR and now High Focus Records, Verb T has brought us classics like Backhand Slap Talk with Kashmere, Bring It Back to Basics with Harry Love and Serious Games to name a few."
 * If that doesn't demonstrate notability then nothing will. SmartSE (talk) 20:40, 9 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 18:24, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 18:24, 9 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Weak delete The article is a list of works only (which would be okay for a very notable person). Poor enough quality that it would have to be recreated from scratch anyway (but that's personal opinion, since it could be incubated). —Prof. Squirrel (talk) 18:36, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, the article is crap, but that isn't a reason to delete an article about a notable subject: Deletion is not cleanup. SmartSE (talk) 20:40, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, largely per my reasoning in the previous AfD - just about scrapes WP:MUSICBIO IMHO. — sparklism hey! 13:18, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 00:25, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 20:06, 23 December 2013 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.