Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vernon Stewart Laurie


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) — Theopolisme ( talk )  01:04, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Vernon Stewart Laurie

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I couldn't establish his WP:NOTABILITY Boleyn (talk) 16:25, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Well I can: You realise this is going to be WP:SNOWed don't you? Or roes CBE and inclusion in Who's Who really mean nothing to you???? Barney the barney barney (talk) 17:07, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - Per nom. Can't see why this guy is notable. NickCT (talk) 18:19, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Neutral A bit torn on this one actually. They certainly don't give CBEs out like Blue Peter badges, but at the same time we can't really reasonably keep an article that can never (verifiably) be expanded past a couple of sentences. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  19:37, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * What makes you say that? Just because it hasn't been so expanded yet doesn't mean it can't be. -- -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:17, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:TOOLITTLE. - The Bushranger One ping only 19:16, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
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 * Keep. It has long been accepted that the CBE counts as a "well-known and significant award or honour" under WP:ANYBIO. He also has an entry in Who's Who and a reasonably substantial obituary in The Times. The latter, at least, is also generally held to confer notability. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:16, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Is the CBE really a "well-known and significant award or honour"? It strikes that it probably is inside the UK, but probably not elsewhere. NickCT (talk) 15:43, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes see WP:SNOW. Barney the barney barney (talk) 09:51, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, all Commonwealth countries, since it's been awarded since 1917. And WP:ANYBIO does not specify that it has to be "well-known and significant" worldwide. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:05, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete: Lack of significant coverage in multiple independent sources, and very little likelihood that sufficient coverage will be found. As for the award, it is the third grade award for the Order of the British Empire, with about 9000 recipients. That is not selective enough, in my opinion, to fulfill our notability requirements. The higher grades, GBE and KBE, yes, but not a CBE, as it does not confer knighthood not does it entitle the bearer to participate in all of the functions of the order. For the time period pertinent to this article, they were often routinely handed out to well-liked non-combatant officers for simply serving without any major demerit. It isn't an award for valor, and at this grade, not for extraordinary service, either. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 08:03, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment minor point but his CBE was for political services in the 1960s not his war service. MilborneOne (talk) 17:20, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I fear you know little about the British Honours System. The CBE is certainly not "routinely handed out to well-liked non-combatant officers for simply serving without any major demerit". You have to be pretty senior to be awarded a CBE. It is rarely awarded to officers below the rank of colonel or equivalent and is more commonly awarded to officers of brigadier rank or above (i.e. people who would usually qualify for an article under WP:SOLDIER). Only about 200 CBEs are awarded every year and fewer were awarded in the past. The claim that it is not awarded "for extraordinary service" are false. Your comments could apply to the MBE and OBE, but not the CBE. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:05, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep per both of Necrothesp's comments. I've also added another reference. Dalliance (talk) 15:19, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep a stockbroker who was also a master of a livery company, deputy lieutenant and high sherrif and a bit of wartime service in his spare time. I have expanded the article with additional info. MilborneOne (talk) 15:22, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. Between the various actions and honors this person did and achieved, there's more than enough here to estaiblish notability. Being short is not a reason to delete. - The Bushranger One ping only 19:16, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - the CBE, Who's Who, and lots of coverage in the London Gazeteer show notability. Bearian (talk) 17:03, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
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