Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Veronica Grey (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Big Dom  20:14, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Veronica Grey
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Article is, in its previous form, little more than a promotional vehicle for a non-notable person who has appeared in a pilot and had a number of uncredited appearances. The only information that can be somewhat reliably gleaned comes from the IMDB, and it indicates non-notability. That she is a "modern day muse" and a "a trusted authority in the field of anti-aging and self help" (from that previous version) are unverified claims. I foresee some rebuttal that may be long on text but short on references; I urge contributors here to focus on the BLP mandate of providing reliable sources. Drmies (talk) 20:23, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Repeating what I said at the last AfD: IMDB entry indicates tiny number of non-significant roles, biography is self-penned by subject. Publications appear to be vanity press imprints. Overall, appears not to meet WP:BIO. Reads like self-written promotion. (Arguably this could have been speedied as G4 or A7 but what the heck.... ) Kim Dent-Brown  (Talk)  20:55, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, a claim to notability was made, and the history had some back and forths, so I figured I'd bring it here. Note: Kim first nominated the article for AfD, two years ago. I've notified every editor who contributed to the current article, except for the IPs who had nothing to contribute but BLP violations. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 22:06, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable, poorly written page. Tinton5 (talk) 21:03, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Right now she doesn't seem to meet the notability standards and there isn't enough material on her in other sources to really improve the page. The article can always be recreated if the situation changes.  Millahnna (talk) 00:12, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Seems to be some notable sources.98.151.53.27 (talk) 03:11, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep look at this: a photo of her hanging with Steven Spielberg: . Steven Spielberg! --MoonLichen (talk) 03:56, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fan cruft of a non-notable actress launched by an editor that's cruising to get banned, judging by the edit summary. Veronica credits her relationship with Billy Corgan of Smashing Pumpkins as her rock and roll high school. is my favorite line from the piece — but it was lost in the process of being stubbed out. Of course that's not appropriate for Wikipedia, but either is a bio on this subject, in my estimation. Carrite (talk) 04:13, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:ENT and the GNG. My relationship with Joan Jett would have been my rock&roll PhD, but that restraining order she got kept me away from graduation. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 05:33, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I know. I had her take it out on you because you were a much better guitar player than me. Drmies (talk) 15:40, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Here's what the "artist" in question thinks of Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Veronica_Grey&oldid=41801581998.151.53.27 (talk) 05:36, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 12:54, 10 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:OUTCOMES - in cases where the subject is marginally notable, and she wishes not to be on Wikipedia, the article has been deleted in the past. We don't want to get Jimbo Wales involved in this as he did in Articles for deletion/Eric Ely. Bearian (talk) 18:11, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - simple WP:NACTOR fail, nothing to see here. Tarc (talk) 16:34, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.