Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vestavia Hills High School

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was - kept - SimonP 04:25, May 13, 2005 (UTC)

Vestavia Hills High School
This seems to be just another high school, and as such is non-encyclopedic in my view. (I moved this here from Candidates for Speedy Deletion). Rje 16:11, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, information on high schools is necessary to coverage of education and history in their local area. If the current stub is not kept, it should be merged somewhere until it grows. High schools, like villages, are large in number but intrinsically interesting. Kappa 17:46, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable. High schools are not intrinsically interesting.  If you doubt this, ask the average high school student.  Quale 17:53, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * LOL high school students are not the only users of WP. Kappa 18:37, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Non-notability not established.  &mdash;RaD Man (talk) 17:54, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Good school article and achievements in debating are worthy of note for mine. Capitalistroadster 19:25, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Useless collection of generic facts about an insignificant school. This is not an encyclopedia article. Individual schools are not inherently encyclopedic and there is nothing to distinguish insignificant schools like this one from thousands of nearly identical schools around the world. Gamaliel 19:43, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete or have you never seen a real encyclopedia before? XmarkX 20:48, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Avoid personal attacks. Samaritan 21:06, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * For me, the question is "What would we see if a real encyclopedia had infinite resources?", and then "How close can wikipedia get to that?". Kappa 23:35, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Rocking expansion. Samaritan 20:59, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article has significantly improved since it was put on VFD. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 22:20, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. As with other high schools. - SimonP 23:56, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * No vote, but a strong admonishment to whoever nominated this not to list things like this on speedy deletion. That is a gross abuse of policy. Meelar (talk) 03:30, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep All schools are worthy of inclusion in a great encyclopaedia. Klonimus 04:06, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep current article. Mea culpa on the original speedy.  The article started as rambling kiddie-wiki that concluded with the fact that the lunch room sells french fries.  Thought it was appropriate at the time. - Lucky 6.9 04:56, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
 * No problem--didn't mean to snap at you. Speedy tags where they don't belong are a bit of a pet peeve. Sorry about overreacting. Best, Meelar (talk) 05:57, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * No sweat, pal. Just one of those days.  :^) - Lucky 6.9 23:56, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, the only Mu Alpha Theta math team to regularly visit and own Florida competitions from out of state. --SPUI (talk) 05:58, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, non-notable. Leithp 08:15, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Neutralitytalk 16:33, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep It's a school. Gillian Tipson 18:32, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Non-"notability" not established.--Gene_poole 23:57, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Sure it was. They sell french fries in the lunch room, remember?  :^) - Lucky 6.9 01:54, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Badly written content is not a justification for deletion, it is an opportunity for cleanup - and VfD is not Cleanup.--Gene_poole 06:30, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
 * You're right. I was just kidding.  I owe you a wiki-noogie. - Lucky 6.9 17:45, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep looks like a decent school stub to me!  ALKIVAR &trade;[[Image:Radioactive.svg|18px|]] 04:54, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non-encyclopedic.--Prem 06:25, May 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge into Vestavia Hills, Alabama and delete - Skysmith 07:32, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge into Vestavia Hills, Alabama or Keep --194.47.220.223 07:38, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep VFD contributers please take note of this - these well developed HS articles will be kept - there will be a consensus to do so - so please don't clutter the beleaguered VFD pages with these entries. Lotsofissues 11:57, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
 * VFD contributers please take note of this - Lotsofissues doesn't get to decide which articles are kept. Many of us think that high schools are not inherently notable.  Act as WP:DP and your best judgement dictate.  I'm surprised that "all schools are notable" crowd complains so much.  The high school articles are typically miserable when they come into VfD, and at least marginally better even though rarely encyclopedic when they leave. Quale 05:19, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Yawn. &mdash;RaD Man (talk) 06:32, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Let's keep it civil please. Gamaliel 06:49, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * zZZZzzzzz. &mdash;RaD Man (talk) 14:16, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * QUACKBAA! --SPUI (talk) 14:24, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Try this instead, kids. Gamaliel 21:09, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * How about this instead? &mdash;RaD Man (talk) 04:51, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Yawn. Gamaliel 06:20, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I second Gamaliel's call for civility, please respect the other side of the debate. Kappa 14:32, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but I say let them go, Gamaliel and Kappa. That's the level of argument I expect from the "Every school is sacred" crowd.  Calling their comments "debate" is giving them dignity they have not earned.  Quale
 * You're right, looks like those two are a lost cause. Gamaliel 21:09, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * It's true, I cannot be saved. &mdash;RaD Man (talk) 04:50, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep this decent school stub. Has potential to become further encyclopedic. --Andylkl (talk) 07:46, May 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep ALL schools are notable in their area. Colleges and Universities are more so only because they draw students from a wider area.  Further, much more notable than obscure Pokemon charaters.--64.254.131.77 15:34, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable. Jayjg (talk) 22:52, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. How is it special compared to any other school? &mdash;Lowellian (talk) 01:33, May 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep T h e St ev e 12:08, May 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Another school article with a lovely picture!  Thank you. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 18:55, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Articles about schools belong in Wikipedia, though this one should be marked for improvement --Zantastik 19:11, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Article fails to establish notability. --Carnildo 22:04, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Enduring institutions, including schools, are inherently encyclopedic.   Tobycat 02:52, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. This school is one of the most notable public HS's in Alabama and has something of a national reputation in math, debate, and baseball competition. Notability, by itself, is a spurious criterion. If the article meets other criteria it should be kept and the rest of the encyclopedia should be given time to catch up. Dystopos 04:22, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Fails my usual criteria of over 100 years old, but notability actually seems to have been established for this school.  Noisy | Talk 10:20, May 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notability still failed as policy and isn't a valid criterion. Is it verifiable? Yep. - David Gerard 11:27, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
 * A secondary school in a place like Alabama that wins state baseball and football (especially football!) championships, and in multiple recent years, is of iconic importance to its region. (I voted already.) Samaritan 23:46, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - pretty good stub for a notable school -CunningLinguist 23:24, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, and refine policy to prevent future VfD nominations of school articles. In my opinion, schools with more than a few students should automatically be considered "encyclopedic"/wikipedia-worthy. Wikipedia will not be improved by the deletion of this article. ~leif &#9786; (talk) 20:48, May 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Intrigue 18:21, 12 May 2005 (UTC)


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