Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Veterans of the Spanish Civil War who died in 2010


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Jayjg (talk) 02:04, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Veterans of the Spanish Civil War who died in 2010

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Waiting for people to die doesn't seem right. The now-empty list seems to run afoul of WP:CRYSTAL. Warrah (talk) 00:32, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Even if this is only a placeholder for the time being.  Looking at ages listed Surviving veterans of the Spanish Civil War the chances are unfortunately pretty good that this list will need updating this year :(  --  RP459  Talk/Contributions 00:44, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Agree with above. Also, see WP:IAR. RadManCF (talk) 01:05, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * That doesn't make sense. Why should we be "ignoring all rules" when this gruesome list does not improve our project? JBsupreme (talk) 19:59, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree, it doesn't seem right, and it gives Wikipedia a bad name to be waiting for veterans to pass away. As a less distasteful alternative, see .  Nobody has created an article yet about World War One veterans who died in 2010, and that link remains red.  List of verified supercentenarians who died in 2010 at least has a name on it (the article was created two days before the 110 year old lady passed away, kind of tasteless). Mandsford (talk) 01:44, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete It doesn't further the wikipedia per WP:IAR It's easy to recreate when the time comes. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 02:28, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Not really neccessary, and if I interpret the policies correct, in cases like this one, it is either a snowball keep or a delete per WP:CRYSTAL. No, I dont think this is a snowball - who can guarantee that the veterans are going to die this year? Blodance (talk) 02:56, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete, I agree that Wikipedia shouldn't be waiting for respected people to die, but I also feel that this is a necessary article. Maybe recreate it after a few months pass?  smithers  - talk  06:08, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete This is an intersection of two things. Notable veterans of the Spanish Civil War of course should be listed. Notable deaths in 2010 also. No reason combine the two lists in this way. (I don't care if other wars and other years are listed the same way. Nominate them too and I will also advocate deletion.) Steve Dufour (talk) 07:35, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete this is a pointless list. JBsupreme (talk) 08:27, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Perhaps WP:USERFY the article until it can be filled, but for now, the placeholder/crystal ball argument is compelling.— DMCer ™  08:39, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. The odds are, regrettably, that two or more of the people on that list will die in the next year.  However, with that said, perhaps with groups this small pages dedicated to their year of death are somewhat counterproductive...odds are that annual pages from here on out will include no more than 5 veterans, so possibly simply making a post-2010 deaths page (or even just one for 2010-2014) in the vein of the 2000-2005 one (and possibly also rolling the others together) might not be a bad move.Tyrenon (talk) 11:13, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * See below. Strong Delete - there is no content, and fails WP:CRYSTAL as mentioned. True, it is (unfortunately) statistically likely that there will be content for this list, but there currently is not.  It's also in extremely poor taste to forecast deaths among a group of people, however statistically accurate it may be, but I'm not aware of any policy against such an article in particular. Ivanvector (talk) 13:13, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. Inappropriate bordering on downright creepy.  Wikipedia isn't a dead pool. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  17:32, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Change to list of veterans of the Spanish Civil War who died in 2006-2010 65.0.53.189 (talk) 18:42, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

or better yet, make it list of veterans of the Spanish Civil War who died in 2000-2010 do the math and you would only find 70 deaths. 65.0.53.189 (talk) 18:45, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete it seems that the consensus, by existing articles, is not to anticipate such events, and be conservative in this kind of article creation. we dont have articles on surviving ww2 veterans by death year, which we could do. i wonder why not, and if we did, would we automatically create a new article jan 1 of each year, as there is absolutely no doubt some would die that year. i dont see anything creepy about it, though. its just not our standard practice, thus it feels wrong to me.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 18:55, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * only 70 of them died this decade, i think its reasonable to just have one article listing 70 vets who died in a decade instead of a few stubs listing around ten vets. 65.0.53.189 (talk) 19:24, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * if we just make a list of the veterans who made it to 2000, wed have 103 veterans, that's gonna take up a perfect amount of space for the article length to be just right. 65.0.53.189 (talk) 19:48, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Why not merge all of the articles on Spanish Civil War veteran deaths by year with the list of surviving vets, and just have one list of known Spanish Civil War veterans, whether they be alive or dead? By my math (not checking for duplicates) there would be 103 names on that list, which is hardly too long by Wikipedia standards.  Is there some value in sorting these vets by the years of their deaths? Ivanvector (talk) 23:27, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I like Ivanvector's idea so merge. There aren't enough names to justify having one for each year. (I wouldn't go low enough to make List of members of the 2009 New York Yankees born in 1970, List of members of the 2009 New York Yankees born in 1971, etc.  This is a direct parallel)   TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 00:23, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.  —Nick-D (talk) 06:51, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete this and all the other articles in this series. These lists obviously aren't complete, and if they were they'd be lists of mainly non-notable people. Nick-D (talk) 06:51, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:NOTMEMORIAL. The idea of articles for Veterans of X War who died in X year, for every war and year is odd.  It's a shame WP's search functions are complete crap.  If it had an advanced search similar to IMDb's (which isn't even all that spectacular), people could search category:Spanish Civil War, date of death:2010 and find everything they wanted, if in fact anybody wanted to search for that. Шизомби (Sz) (talk) 22:07, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I hope that Wikipedia will, someday, be able to have something similar to imdb.com's search engine which allows a person to see where two items intersect. If I'm not mistaken, what Wn3om6n is referring to is something where you can type in the names of two actors (say Bette Davis and Sammy Davis Jr.) and see whether they've ever appeared together in the same film.  Ideally, we'd have something where we'd see where two categories intersect, like Category:Supercentenarians and Category:1890 births.  I think there probably will be something similar in the future, at which time categories may be more useful than they are. Mandsford (talk) 14:19, 21 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge per Ivanvector. At this point, individual year articles really are redundant.Tyrenon (talk) 08:06, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Reiterating my merge suggestion since it's buried in a comment above, and I originally suggested deletion (now struck out). It seems the only war that has lists of this sort (besides this one) is World War I, which lists more vets on each page than the pages for this war list all together. In fact, the lists for this war only go back to 2000, and several are already grouped together into a multiple-year list. The information has encyclopedic value, but there's not enough for separate lists. They should all be merged into a new List of known veterans of the Spanish Civil War, with one of those notes that the list can never be completed. I could go ahead and make that list now, but I'll wait for this AfD to close. Ivanvector (talk) 14:34, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment i suggested delete, and unfortunately i often forget to consider merge, redirect. i just think this stand alone article is not necessary. interesting: some people become notable over time for having been older veterans, so the concern that this list is not "complete", while wrong, also raises a subtle point. at this time, there are no ww2 veterans notable exclusively for being alive. in the next couple of decades, they will start to become notable for this reason, so previously nonnotable people become notable for nothing they do, and the list of surviving veterans, or the category, starts to approach completion.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 21:19, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
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