Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vic Harris (snooker)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep  (non-admin closure) The nominator has withdrawn by voting keep, and no other editor has made any recommendation except keep. Darkspots (talk) 20:18, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Vic Harris (snooker)
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I'm completing this listing for an IP. Darkspots (talk) 15:52, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The IP added an afd1 to the article with this diff. The edit summary was: extremely thin basis for beeing on wikipedia and claims made are unsourced. tony drago is a journeyman snooker professional and usual person associated with spotting steve davis is barry hearn.


 * delete Non-notable, does not meet WP:BIO . StephenBuxton (talk) 17:11, 20 May 2008 (UTC). keep In the light of new information and references added to the article, I can see that he does meet the requirements of WP:BIO. StephenBuxton (talk) 06:54, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Why is this listed as second AFD? I've had a look, and cannot find the first AFD. StephenBuxton (talk) 17:11, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 17:25, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment The first listing was at Articles for deletion/Vic Harris (snooker player) back in July. This was closed as a keep by me, due to the fact that it had been relisted three times without anyone really !voting (and the nominator didn't even provide a reason). Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 18:05, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * comment The afd link at the top redirects back here (It says (snooker) rather than (snooker player)). I tried to fix the box, but failed dismally, so I undid it. The link in your post, TPH, works. StephenBuxton (talk) 07:00, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. Subject competed at least three times in the UK Snooker Championship, which is a professional tournament, and so meets the requirements of WP:ATHLETE.  And he has a snooker league named after him. Darkspots (talk) 18:21, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep He's competed in a professional tournament and he's the subject of multiple reliable sources. Seems to meet WP:ATHLETE just fine (tho' how snooker could be considered athletic I don't know). Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 19:22, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Not sure that the fact he has what seems to be an amateur/ semi-pro snooker league named after him has any importance. If he set up the league that may well be the end of the matter. It is not that well known a league. The suggestion that he competed three times in the UK snooker championship is unsourced. The mere fact that someone once played some professional tournaments has to be treated with care as for a stage in the 1990s snooker was an open professional sport and anyone who paid the entry fees for qualifying events was a professional. The benchmark for including someone should be more than the fact they merely played in a professional game otherwise there will be a 100 odd players on wikipedia of no standing. --213.202.171.133 (talk) 22:51, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not entirely certain that you're being fair here. After 1984, the UK Snooker Championship was an internationally ranked event.  Harris competed in 1987 and made it to the fourth round. He didn't just pony up his entry fee, he did quite well in the competition.  Ok, the article 1987 UK Snooker Championship lacks sources, but that doesn't mean that the writers of that article made the tournament results up out of whole cloth.  Vic Harris (snooker) isn't a great article by any means, but its subject is notable enough to have an article on WP by our standards, in this case WP:ATHLETE.  Harris also won the English Amateur Championship in 1981, so he has competed at the highest level of amateur sport as well. If you don't like the Davis/Drago information (the source doesn't look all that great to me, either), remove it from the article and explain your reasoning on the talk page (might want to do that after this debate is closed).  By the way, I mentioned the league being named after him as a bit of a deadpan joke--looking it over again, that's not very clear.  That's not the source of his notability, just a slightly humorous aside.  Darkspots (talk) 01:54, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * If the assertion that he was English amateur champion in 1981 can be sourced he should be left on. Otherwise he is punching above his weight and on wikipedia due to some vague link to Davis, Drago and because an unimportant league is named after him. --83.70.157.198 (talk) 11:34, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * comment A source has been found to his win, and Darkspots has added it to the article. StephenBuxton (talk) 11:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Further comment: didn't seem to manage or coach Davis or Drago merely 'spotted' them though whether he was the first to do this not clear. Has a amateur/semi-pro snooker league named after him that operates in one part of one county in England. References to him on internet are few if any save to the league, Drago or Davis does not seem to justify his listing.--213.202.171.133 (talk) 23:21, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep- agree in light of updated information should be kept. --213.202.171.133 (talk) 19:38, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


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