Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Victor Cheng (fighter)


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The result was   delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:41, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Victor Cheng (fighter)

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Subject has no fights for a top tier MMA organization, thus failing WP:MMANOT, and all coverage of him falls in the routine sports coverage category. Jakejr (talk) 04:58, 8 August 2012 (UTC)



Keep notable fighter for a notable promotion. Reached finals of a big tournament to crown new champion before being injured. Pound4Pound (talk) 12:59, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Also pointing out MMANOT is an unreliable guideline to use as a base for deletion. Too many problems relating to the page to use as a notability policy to delete pages on. Pound4Pound (talk) 20:50, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: Striking comments due to user now indef blocked for abuse of multiple accounts. Papaursa (talk) 19:39, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, it mirrors WP:NSPORTS for fighters and the fighters' criteria has generally been well accepted as consensus at multiple discussions. The disagreements have come over the notability of individual events but that's irrelevant for this discussion. Jakejr (talk) 20:58, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Delete Even not taking into account WP:MMANOT, he has no fights against notable fighters and no fights in notable events. I also haven't been able to find any information about him from a non-MMA source, so I don't think you can say he passes WP:GNG. CaSJer (talk) 14:07, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Cage Warriors is a notable promotion, even with the poor information on MMANOT they at least got that bit right with them. And again to mention he reached the finals of the CWFC Middleweight Tournament to crown a new middleweight champion but getting injured, so I can only imagine he will received a title shot once he is healthy. But that aside, I will look for page relating to him outside of MMA to add to the page and will mention on this AfD what I put on for people to back over the page and make necessary adjustments to their votes. Will take some time but considering this AfD hasn't been going on for long now I got some time to work. Pound4Pound (talk) 14:30, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * He still has no fights for a top tier MMA organization. Jakejr (talk) 20:58, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * And, again, can you really rely on MMANOT to determine a notable MMA promotions position between top and second tier? Cage Warriors have gone on leaps and bounds in improvements since the start of the year, getting a TV deal with Sky Sports, ESPN (for worldwide viewing), bringing in attention from mainstream sources, being one of only a very small number of MMA promotions in general to take their events abroad, the level of talent they got on their shows, I generally believe MMANOT needs improvements all round, not just on events like you say. Recently I made the notable promotions section abit clearer to read between the active and defunct promotions, but so much more needs to be done with it. For a start it is out of date in terms of promotions it doesn't cover in either section so I may start off by being WP:BOLD and add the 5 promotions I mentioned in a different AfD just to get the ball rolling. Second I feel that some second tier promotions have earned the right to be push up to top tier, both active active and defunct. This would be a beginning at least to finally fixing some of the issues that the guideline presents. Pound4Pound (talk) 10:55, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * You remind me of blocked user BigzMMA because he always believed that consensus didn't matter because his judgment was superior to everyone else's. It's OK to be bold, but overriding consensus opinions simply because you disagree with them is not. Jakejr (talk) 20:12, 11 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete No fights for a top tier organization means he fails WP:MMANOT and he's not even won a championship of a second tier organization. Mdtemp (talk) 17:51, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SarahStierch (talk) 07:59, 15 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete As others have pointed out, he fails WP:NSPORTS and all of the references are merely fight results. Papaursa (talk) 03:33, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.