Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Victor Pineda (soccer)


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The result was   delete. &mdash;SW&mdash; converse 21:42, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Victor Pineda (soccer)

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PROD contested by User:Khvmty with the explanation of "the player was prominent on the US National U-17 and U-18 teams and has been in good status with an MLS team for two years". However, the article fails WP:GNG as having not received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject and WP:NFOOTY as the subject has not appeared in a fully professional league. The article can always be userfied in the creator's namespace until the subject becomes notable, if/when it does. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:08, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - Until he makes a professional appearance, he does not meet WP:NFOOTY and should be deleted as non-notable. ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 18:09, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - In addition to representing the country on international level with U-17 and U-18 teams and scoring two international goals with the latter, the player is now selected to the US national U-20 team as one of its two leaders. For notability the MLSSoccer.com article specifically highlights his name out of many in its headline: MLSers Salgado, Pineda called into US U-20 camp.  It particularly states the team is led by Pineda. According to the Chicago Fire game log, to date Pineda was an unused substitute in fourty-nine regular season MLS matches with Chicago Fire since signing, including both games the Fire played this season so far.  Chicago Fire's coach Frank Klopas stated in a newspaper article Pineda "will get opportunities this season to play." Khvmty (talk) 19:03, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
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 * Delete - He has not played in a fully pro league or received significant coverage, meaning the article fails WP:NSPORT and WP:GNG. As for the comments following the keep !vote above, WP:NSPORT explicitly excludes youth internationals and unused substitutes. Seculation about future notability is not a valid claim either per WP:CRYSTAL. Sir Sputnik (talk) 03:08, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - Sir Sputnik has put it perfectly. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. WE can easily recreate if & when he makes his pro debut. GiantSnowman 11:06, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. A bit iffy (talk) 05:47, 30 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete per Sir Sputnik, more or less. WP:NFOOTY says that signing without actually playing in a game is not considered competition participation.  It also says that "officially sanctioned senior international competition" are notable, but youth players are not automatically notable.  For meeting WP:BIO/WP:GNG, I only see coverage in one article from an independent source: "Fire’s Klopas likes what he sees in Pineda" from the Daily Herald in the Chicago suburbs (by Orrin Schwarz, 2/16/2012 9:16 PM), and Pineda only gets 5 sentences making up about a thrid of the article, plus the title.  The other sources are soccer organizations' self-published "news" for generating interest about anyone related to the organization. --Closeapple (talk) 17:53, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
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