Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Victor Santa Cruz


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The result was   keep. (Non-administrator closure) NorthAmerica1000 00:51, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Victor Santa Cruz

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Only a collegiate head coach, thus fails WP:NGRIDIRON after satisfying none of the other requirements. Also fails to satisfy WP:NCOLLATH. PROD removed with no reasoning. GauchoDude (talk) 23:55, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:09, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
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 * Comment - the problem, of course, is that he has been the subject of coverage in myriad reliable sources and some of the games he's coached have been televised on CBS. But a lot of that coverage amounts to "coach Victor Santa Cruz said" at the end of a quote about a particular game. That's not significant coverage. The other issue is that a lot of the coverage is from a very small geographic region centred around the university where he works. I don't think there's enough to get him over the line just yet.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 00:20, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Procedural Comment  Did you notify the article's creator regarding this AfD?  If not, please do.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:20, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep head college football coaches are normally found to have surpassed WP:GNG per essay at WP:CFBCOACH, especially those who have won a national championship at any level.--Paul McDonald (talk) 03:08, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey Paul, I don't spent all that much time in sports AFDs. To what extent is that an accepted community consensus? Can you point to a couple of related outcomes? Gotta say, the extent to which it has been cited in discussions suggests fairly broad acceptance (without detailed analysis).  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 04:33, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * People have certainly argued against it. I normally point to WP:CFBWEST to show a period where a large block of head coaches were sent to AFD basically all at once and how after time they were brought back.--Paul McDonald (talk) 12:12, 23 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment. I haven't had a chance to evaluate, as payment is required to view the actual articles, but a search of newslibrary.com does turn up some seemingly significant coverage of Santa Cruz, including (1) "APU's Santa Cruz is not disheartened", McClatchy-Tribune Regional News, September 23, 2009; (2) "Cougars coach Santa Cruz won't let team quit", McClatchy-Tribune Regional News, September 16, 2009; (3) "Santa Cruz groomed to be a head coach", North County Times, September 1, 2006; (4) "Santa Cruz finds home 3,000 miles from Vista", The San Diego Union-Tribune, October 1, 1993. Cbl62 (talk) 17:36, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 05:55, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

 
 * Keep. I am not sure that we've seen a consistent consensus to keep all lower-division college head coaches, but given the sourcing presented here and his 2013 Victory Bowl win, I think enough has been presented to establish notability for this one. --Arxiloxos (talk) 17:21, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 15:04, 9 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep - I wasn't convinced the OUTCOMES arguments were strong enough on their own. But in combination with the sources presented, the subject probably just gets over the line for me. Certainly not the strongest keep but I can't find a particularly strong argument for deletion.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 21:42, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - I do not endorse a presumption of notability for college sports head coaches below the Division I level, nor for Division I coaches for sports other than football and men's basketball, who have demonstrated that they satisfy WP:GNG in the overwhelming majority of AfD cases. That having been said, I am endorsing the "keep" arguments per the WP:GNG general notability guidelines made by Cbl62, Arxiloxos and Stalwart above.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:23, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
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