Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Victoria Grant


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The result was   Delete. Fram (talk) 15:08, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Victoria Grant

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Classic case of WP:BLP1E, and an unsourced BLP at that. Someone who posts a Youtube video is not notable. Author has a history of creating non-notable, unref'd BLPs.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 19:47, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
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 * A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." This is the crux of this issue.  Victoria Grant was covered in numerous online sources, including HuffPo, Forbes and the Financial Post: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/05/15/victoria-grant-12-canadian-banking_n_1518953.html http://article.wn.com/view/2012/05/17/The_Victoria_Grant_Video_The_Early_Phase_of_a_Viral_Video_Ag/ http://opinion.financialpost.com/2012/05/16/william-watson-no-victoria-there-is-no-money-monster/ She has a wikipedia entry not because of a youtube video, but because it has sparked conversation across the web regarding central banks, governments, and deficits.  -- Marc Armstrong (ED of Public Banking Institute)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arips1 (talk • contribs) 00:44, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * That would happen on any slow news day. There's no lasting notability here.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 07:55, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 01:18, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 03:55, 27 January 2013 (UTC)



A list of Victoria Grant's notability: [which addresses the issue of notability as referenced by Marc Armstrong]

1) William Watson, a distinguished professor at McGill University, addressed Victoria in the National Post http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/05/16/fps-william-watson-no-victoria-there-is-no-money-monster/

2) CTV News interviewed Victoria Grant on two separate Occasions http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/cambridge-girl-criticizes-canadian-banking-system-becomes-youtube-hit-1.830144 http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=835317

3) Laura Macnaughton of CBC News interviewed Victoria Grant http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/05/19/girl-finance-youtube-speech.html

4) Victoria Grant was Interviewed by Leslie Scrivener of The Star, a national newspaper in Canada http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2012/05/18/how_a_speech_on_banking_by_12yearold_victoria_grant_12_went_viral.html

5) The Huffington Post presents a significant article on Victoria Grant addressing her knowledge of the Banking system http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/05/15/victoria-grant-12-canadian-banking_n_1518953.html

6) Yahoo Finance addresses Victoria Grant's topic of Banking and her notability http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/victoria-grant-video-canadian-banking-123700315.html

7) Victoria Grant was interviewed by Michelle McQuigge of The Canadian Press on two separate occasions and was noted as one of Canada's most notable persons of 2012 http://metronews.ca/news/canada/225707/pint-sized-financial-pundit-goes-viral-with-banking-system-rant/ http://metronews.ca/news/canada/491158/victoria-grant-to-tackle-private-banking-in-new-video/#

8)Victoria Grant was interviewed by RT TV http://rt.com/news/canada-banking-child-economist-811/

9)Victoria Grant's speech has been translated into numerous other languages across the world.Examples: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8z-dhpgUHE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkv9ZYfk7fs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVE4JD_Mq_A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyPDRL9v3xg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YqnUp0crHw

10) Victoria Grant was interviewed by Luca Bergamin of Grazia Magazine in Italy

11) There are even more notable statements that could be made but I believe the above addresses the concerns of Lugnuts and BuickCenturyDriver. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.175.54.5 (talk) 10:57, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

One Addition to the above List:

12) Victoria Grant was asked to speak at TED in Vancouver BC: [Here is the personal request from TED talks]

Dear Victoria,

We were so impressed by the speech you gave at the Public Banking Institute Conference and are excited to invite you to come and give a short 6-minute talk at our TED@Vancouver salon event, taking place the evening of Thursday May 31, 2012.

Some of the speakers for TED@Vancouver have applied to participate and have been chosen from a group of applicants … but we wanted to be sure to involve people whose work we've had on our radar and admired, and that's why we're writing to you.

TED@Vancouver is part of a series of TED salon events taking place between April-June in 14 cities around the world to help us discover a broad array of thinkers and doers. With our Worldwide Talent Search, we are inviting 20-30 people to join us in each city to give a 3 to 6 minute presentation in front of a live audience of about 200 passionate local TED supporters.

All of the talks from TED@Vancouver will be filmed and will go onto a special section of our website. Some presenters from these events will be chosen to participate at TED2013 in Long Beach, California, with the theme The Young. The Wise. The Undiscovered. We're planning to curate half of the TED2013 program with speakers from these salons. But the salons stand as events in their own right, and talks given there could resonate widely online as well as live.

We'd love to have you participate and are willing to pay your travel and hotel costs. What do you say?

All best,

Nick Weinberg TED Content Coordinator

Kelly Stoetzel TED Content Director — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.175.54.5 (talk) 12:41, 31 January 2013 (UTC)


 * That's great, but this is still a big pile of WP:BLP1E. So she got a few newspapers to cover her Youtube speach? So what? There's nothing outside of this 2 minutes of self-promotion that makes her notable.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 07:54, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Lugnuts, thank you for your input, although the evidence strongly disagrees with your conclusion. This is not a few papers that have interviewed her. This is continued notable recognition from reputable tv news shows; reputable radio shows; reputable internet shows; reputable news papers; one of the most reputable advanced thinking organizations (TED); and her talk has influenced a worldwide discussion on the topic she addressed. Her name is now connected to this topic in dozens of countries worldwide. Your comment that this was simply 'self promotion' is not based in evidence. The evidence clearly demonstrates that she can articulate, did articulate and has continued to articulate a position on the corruption within banking that needs to be stopped, that has in turn influenced hundreds of thousands of people around the world to research and address this topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.175.54.5 (talk) 08:36, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * So because someone can articulate their viewpoint about the banking sector, that justifies an article here? Wikipedia is not a soapbox.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 09:02, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

First, It is not simply the articulation. It is the continuing influence of that articulation that matters and the continuing 'events' Victoria involves herself with that continues to propagate that influence. Secondly, her notariety is not the result of a 'soapbox' presentation. It is the result of her in depth research, and presentation of that research, at the age of 12 that began the process which brought her notariety. Third, Victoria's mutliple 'youtube' videos are the result of her speaking engagements across North America, which were all separate events. This is not a 'one' event occurence. There are multiple separate events of which all have been addressed with different mediums of interaction by reputable sources.184.175.54.5 (talk) 11:58, 1 February 2013 (UTC)Facing42
 * Delete. I agree with the nomination, the only coverage is related to a YouTube video which is hardly an event of sufficient fame or notoriety to trigger the exception in BLP1E. The news coverage and interviews are all results of that single event, and while it is sufficient to make the content verifiable, it is insufficient to clear the WP:BLP1E and the WP:NOT criteria. Sjakkalle (Check!)  19:27, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - per nom. Clearly currently only a BLP1E at the moment, perhaps a NOTNOW until more notable things occur. Tiggerjay (talk) 04:07, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
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