Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Victoria Ground (Leeds)


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The result was keep. Retained due to more than sufficient sources, under various names. I believe titling will need to be raised at Requested Moves, or further talk page discussion, as multiple names are proposed within the AfD and no notable consensus on that issue found (non-admin closure) Nosebagbear (talk) 16:54, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Victoria Ground (Leeds)

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PROD removed for reason: "I think it has enough references in books to meet WP:GNG." Well, I'd be interested to know just what book references there are to establish GNG. Here there are no references to the Victoria Ground in Leeds and here the mentions are nowhere enough for notability. Bear in mind the location of this ground wasn't even known prior to old OS maps being released, so it's hardly well covered. Beyond that, the ground did not host a first-class match, as the match was cancelled. So it fails WP:CRIN and beyond that it fails WP:GNG. StickyWicket (talk) 10:22, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 19:28, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Cricket-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 19:28, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 19:28, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: For consideration of given alternate sources under different names, if applicable.
 * Comment This should probably be moved back to Victoria Ground, Leeds, even if it gets merged (since it should still remain in categories), Grange Park, Wetherby uses this form of disambiguation and is standard to use commas, not brackets for places, even if they aren't settlements, see WP:UKPLACE.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 13:59, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable park. Variously called "Leeds Royal Park", "Leeds New Gardens", "Tommy Clapham’s Park", "Leeds Horticultural Gardens" ( (page 2)). Sources to satisfy WP:GNG include p 62-67,   p77-79,,  and  It was clearly a notable location in Leeds, not just used for cricket . It was converted into public gardens and the roads Royal Park Road, Royal Park Grove, Royal Park Road Avenue and Royal Park Terrace were named after it. Appears to have been the site of the first Balloon-related death in the UK, in 1887 . Cricket-wise it hosted matches involving William Clarke's All-England Eleven , and regularly Leeds Cricket Club vs e.g. York and Bradford (e.g. ), and was regarded by some as the principal cricket ground in Leeds . A 1902 work of fiction commented on "the bye-gone glories of Tommy Clapham's park, an institution which was at one time part and parcel of the town of Leeds, and which far outshone in popularity the vaunted glories of Roundhay Park or any other of the present-day amusements provided for the toiling masses of the city" .--Pontificalibus  12:41, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nosebagbear (talk) 14:10, 8 February 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 16:29, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep with the new sources, this passes WP:GNG. Would be good to use those sources for an article expansion. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:55, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep based on the info found by Pontificalibus.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 13:13, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - if kept, I might be better to redirect to Leeds Royal Park (or something along that line), as the cricket ground appears to have made up just one part of the larger park. StickyWicket (talk) 16:47, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree, if kept them a requested move could be started to determine the best name, as it's been more than a cricket ground. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:43, 19 February 2019 (UTC)


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