Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Victorian Gay and Lesbian Rights Lobby


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Keep. Foxy Loxy Pounce! 12:30, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Victorian Gay and Lesbian Rights Lobby

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Non-notable local organization. Doesn't pass WP:N or WP:CORP. SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:05, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete or Merge Not notable as its own page, but it could be merged to Gay_rights_in_Australia under Victoria  C T J F 8 3 Talk 22:13, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge no notability in the article. Merge with the article listed above me. Clubmarx (talk) 22:18, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  22:39, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:12, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete nn activist group.  YellowMonkey  ( click here to choose Australia's next top model ) 07:31, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. What in the hell? It's the premier gay rights lobby group in the second-largest state in the country. Australia doesn't have national gay rights lobby groups; this group, and it's New South Wales equivalent, are the most significant groups there are. This nomination, from an American, makes about as much as sense as me nominating Human Rights Campaign for deletion. Rebecca (talk) 11:00, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Rebecca, I find your comments unhelpful and poor. Look at the Human Rights Campaign page, compared to the Victorian Gay and Lesbian Rights Lobby page. HRC has plenty of outside sources for references, VGLRL has none. The fact that SatyrTN is an American, had nothing to do with his decision to nominate it. I've nominated lots of articles for deletion that are related to what I like, including an article related to the city I live in.  C T J F 8 3 Talk 15:03, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It has nothing to do with whether I like it or not. It's the fact that it's one of the most notable activist groups in the country. The article's poor current state is grounds for it being expanded, not deleted by clueless Americans. Rebecca (talk) 20:02, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Please Rebecca, that is bordering on a personal attack. Why no merge to here?  C T J F 8 3 Talk 02:50, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Uh, because it's a really notable organisation? The fact this was even nominated in the first place shows a lack of clue; the fact that you're still trying to have it merged in light of what's been pointed out since is breathtaking. Rebecca (talk) 06:20, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * BTW, just because you think it is notable, doesn't mean the rest of us do. You need to start AGF too!  C T J F 8 3 Talk 06:43, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd add the WA and Tasmanian ones to that list as highly significant, due to the sheer length and prominence of the fight in both cases and the instant name recognition value of the key activists involved. Orderinchaos 15:56, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, oodles of news coverage. I would have done some more searches or asked an Australian in the know before nominating this article.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 11:14, 13 October 2008 (UTC).
 * Keep per Rebecca and Lankiveil. Cosmic Latte (talk) 15:48, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as preceding. Notable. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:19, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Strange nomination from an LGBT inclusionist editor living in New Hampshire. WWGB (talk) 10:06, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:AGF, please. The article is minimalist and extremely local. I'm glad to see it being talked about and glad to see that I might be wrong, but at the moment the only source in it is self-promotional and it still reads like it's a mom-and-pop endeavor. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 18:45, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Uh, but the simplest Google search could prove that it is not, and is in fact, one of our most major LGBT lobby groups? The fact that an article is "minimalist" is grounds to expand it or ask someone else to, not to try to delete it (and in your case, amazingly, try to speedy it). Rebecca (talk) 13:00, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Uh - but the simplest Google search shows almost all references to the group coming from Victoria, which is exactly why I nominated the article in the first place! It's a local group.  Using your analogy, imagine if HRC only had references in news sources from Washington DC?  Furthermore, I *could* nom the article on the grounds that fully one-third of it is copied verbatim from the VGLRL website. And if any other editor had spent five minutes putting a couple references in there from multiple, reliable, third party sources (which no one did), this AfD could have been closed speedily without the mud-slinging.  I'm sorry you disagree with my nominating it, but I'm worried that the org *is* just local - could you add a ref from a paper or source that isn't in Australia? (BTW, I prodded the article, not speedied it.  Prodding is a chance for any editor to address the concerns raised before the article gets taken to Afd.) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 13:44, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep major activist organisation within a state with a bigger population than some European countries, and which has national media profile. Passes WP:N on that basis—normally we require only two independent sources writing about the subject. Orderinchaos 15:54, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. As above: notable It certainly does have a media profile and is the top level organisation for over 5 million people.


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