Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Victoriandustrial


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Delete - Yomangani talk 11:28, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Victoriandustrial
This is obviously SPAM by the person that created the Emilie Autumn article. FACT50 01:43, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is true. If you ignore the fact that it is a perfectly valid music genre, and that a different person created the Emilie Autumn article. Strong keep, bordering on speedy, since I'm not entirely sure this is a good faith nom. -Amarkov babble 02:12, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep Doesn't seem to be spam to me, but it needs lots of work.
 * Delete - This seems like a music genre with a grand total of one performer in it (or one performer who actually calls their music by this name, there may be others making similar music). Google tends to throw the genre up only in relation to Emilie Autumn, which says to me that it's not a sufficiently notable genre of music to have an article as yet. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 02:28, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Responding to Amarkov's comment, being a "perfectly valid music genre" does not always make a subject notable, especially if the genre is not well known. After all, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. -- TBC  Φ  talk?  02:29, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I do realize that now. Still annoyed by the claim that the author was someone who he was not. -Amarkov babble 02:31, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * There is another genre that is being more widely used to refer to this type of music, and under a broader range of sub-genres than just Goth/Industrial. It is called Sepiachord. The only reason I have not created a stub, or even mentioned it on wikipedia at all as of yet, is because it is approximately two months old. Even though it is quickly being recognized as a reputable term by various performers creating old world inspired music. So if this new genre which isn't quite validated yet doesn't have an article, I see no reason why a solo artist who has made up a new spin on a previous genre has any notability. Btw - if you look at the user who created the Victoriandustrial page, it is Batteredrose. A reference to a website hosting EA's lyrics. This is obviously a fan made page to try and sell EA's music to others. Many bands are doing this these days. The Dresden Dolls are notorious for using their fanbase to advertise for them. Though at least they do it in a civilized manner. --FACT50 02:47, 2 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete - minor musical genres are a dime a dozen (heavy metal bands seem particularly prone to creating their own), and there's no evidence that anyone besides Emilie Autumn uses this term. Zetawoof(&zeta;) 03:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-notable term made up in band practice one day. Eusebeus 14:01, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. -- Kf4bdy talk contribs 23:36, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge to Emilie Autumn. I couldn't find another artist in this "genre." JChap2007 00:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Emilie Autumn. ~ trialsanderrors 07:41, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

Okay, apparently this has already been deleted once. I'm unsure of what procedure to follow. Renominating because "Victoriandustrial" is just a buzzword used to promote one artist (Emilie Autumn). I don't see any other artists at all being described with the term, on Wikipedia or elsewhere. "Victoriandustrial" is the new "goth'n'roll" is the new "love metal" is the new "hellektro" is the new...you get the idea. --Halloween jack 14:56, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, reliving my history on Wikipedia here. Anyway, I apologize for my behavior last AfD, and I've tagged this as a recreation, which it is. Should be deleted soon. -Amarkov moo! 21:33, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

As a partial aside, the factual basis for the term appears to be spurious. Apparently they call it "Victoriandustrial" because Autumn uses a harpsichord; the harpsichord page says that the harpsichord had fallen into disuse in the 19th century. --Halloween jack 02:26, 22 October 2007 (UTC)