Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/VictorsFood


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The result was delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 23:47, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

VictorsFood

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Tagged for notability since it was created in 2014. And I couldn't find substantial coverage that passes WP:COMPANY - most coverage seems to be PR, passing mentions or routine coverage. The article itself seems to be padded with sources that are PR, unrelated, unsubstantial, or about the founder rather than the company. Whisperjanes (talk) 07:04, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. Whisperjanes (talk) 07:04, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete Excessively promotional article. I agree that there is a paucity of reliable sources to be found as those that turn up in searches are press releases and promotional pieces. Geoff &#124; Who, me? 18:53, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep based on significant editing of page since nomination. I have significantly edited the page to meet requirements, with appropriate sources, however given how sparse the page is now, it may still not be sufficient to meet GNG. I think it is fair to say that the subject just scrapes by, but I have conducted a thorough internet search as well as a database search of Australian and NZ newspapers (which includes more content that what is freely available via Google etc) and there isn't a lot, certainly no truly significant coverage in reliable major sources. I also note the article's creator is a SPA and the page certainly was promotional and at least failed NPOV. Cabrils (talk) 01:26, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your work in cleaning up the article and for finding those sources :) I personally don't think two sources is enough to pass notability - Or, if it is, it seems very borderline and doesn't seem to meet the WP:SUSTAINED part of notability yet (both sources are from the same week in October 2011) or the WP:CORPDEPTH part of organization notability that allows for more than "a very brief, incomplete stub". But I also don't have access to those sources (so I can't see the depth of them). Could you give some insight into what the two sources are about or what they say about the company, and/or could you share the links? - Whisperjanes (talk) 16:56, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Apologies for the belated response. I've added links to the articles found via the ProQuest database, but you might not be easily about to access them. In case you didn't know, the Sydney Morning Herald is a major Australian newspaper: "Tours cover fertile ground as the Crave food festival continues, writes Sandra Siagian. South-west's best: Victor Pisapia's food philosophy is simple: cook with local produce whenever possible. The chef and founder of VictorsFood, a company in Waterloo that runs cooking classes, training and food tours, says it is the main message behind his business. On his Regional Flavours tour during the Crave festival, Pisapia looks at the best produce south-west Sydney has to offer. He shares his favourite market spots around Leppington and includes trips to Campisi Fine Food & Deli, Bringelly Pork and Bacon smokehouse, Australian Mushroom Company and Leppington fig farm. Along the way there are cooking demonstrations, taste tests and an opportunity to meet growers. Pisapia describes the tour as "farm to plate". At the lunch stop, he cooks fruit, vegetables and pork collected earlier in the day. It could be fig salad, mushroom risotto, blue corn crepes or steamed tamales. There's also wine tasting. The tour departs and returns to Danks Street, Waterloo. Saturday, $165, 1300 206 163." and the North Shore Times is a local/suburban paper, so not very reputable: " IF YOU want to add a touch of drama to your culinary performance, not to mention the subtle flavour of a liqueur without the actual alcohol, then firing up a flambe is for you. Flambe means flaming or igniting foods that have had liquor or liqueur added to the pan to give the finished dish a little extra flavour. As a rule of thumb, choose liqueurs that have at least 40 per cent alcohol. Too much more and they may be too flammable, too little and they may fail to ignite. You should also choose a variety of alcohol that complements the food you are cooking. For instance, a fruit-flavoured brandy will suit fruit-based desserts, while whisky or cognac enhance meat. Victor Pisapia, who owns and runs VictorsFood which organises culinary experiences, including cooking classes and corporate events said there were some key rules to follow. Prepare your ingredients and equipment before you start and keep a large lid on hand in case you need to extinguish the flames. Use a special flambe pan or a large fry-pan with a long handle and heat the food before you add the alcohol or it won't flame. Never pour liquor from the bottle straight into the pan and definitely no walking around with the flaming pan in your hands. Details: victorsfood.com. au." I generally agree with your summary BTW. Cabrils (talk) 02:53, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 15:30, 31 January 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak Keep As per above explained. Pilean (talk) 16:04, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Kolma8 (talk) 16:14, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 00:19, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Tagged for notability since 2014. – Cupper 52 Discuss! 19:57, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete None of the references contain links so difficult to check, but I found the first reference here at the journalist's website. It can clearly be seen to be promotional and relying entirely on the information provided by the company, therefore fails WP:ORGIND. Wikipedia is not a Directory or Yellow Pages. There is zero indication within the article on why this topic is notable, fails WP:NCORP.  HighKing++ 22:12, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment. Please see this earlier version of the article for a more thorough assessment of the topic's notability. Cordially, History DMZ (HQ ) † (wire ) 20:28, 13 February 2021 (UTC)


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