Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vienna Cup (football)


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The result was   keep. Max S em(Han shot first!) 11:35, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Vienna Cup (football)

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I understand that this is the second nomination, but the first addressed the existence or otherwise of the competition. My concern is over notability. Virtually no third party sources. Personally, I can't see that this meets the notability rules. Which is unfortunate, but true. Traditional unionist (talk) 11:48, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:17, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. In which way does the tournament fail notability standards? It was one of the first (if not the first) international club tournaments in the sport which in itself is notable enough IMHO. And what does online sources have to do with notability? Just because you can't find any sources online doesn't mean we shouldn't have an article on the tournament. Try to find comprehensive online information on any of the less known early football tournaments. – Elisson • T • C • 12:45, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per Elisson. GiantSnowman 12:50, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete unless comprehensively proven that this tournament actually existed. - fchd (talk) 12:51, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment RSSSF does show that Glentoran (who they bizarrely call "Glentoran Dublin") did play some matches in Vienna in 1914, but it doesn't list them as being part of the Vienna Cup however it lists matches involving Blackburn and Oldham in 1911 as being part of the/a Vienna Cup.......?!?!??! ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:02, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Glentoran's victory in the Vienna Cup, being the first club from the British Isles to win a European tournament, is referred to here (on The Times online), as well as here, here, here and here. 96T (talk) 13:29, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Surely only one of those references is a reliable one?Traditional unionist (talk) 14:29, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The second one is reliable but not independent, given that it is the club's own website. The Times link is to a page where readers submit answers to other readers' questions, so I'm not sure if that should be considered reliable.  The others look a bit more questionable...... ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:37, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete unless citations from reliable sources are added to comply with the verifiability policy. As mentioned above, the sources there at the moment aren't reliable. Stifle (talk) 19:09, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Here is another one which is WP:V and WP:RS the Belfast Telegraph-- BigDunc (talk) 18:42, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep As per WP:V and WP:RS mentioned above. --Domer48 (talk) 08:43, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


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