Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vijay Kumar Berry


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The result was keep, as improved. BD2412 T 02:41, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Vijay Kumar Berry

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Consensus has beenSingle award at the second highest level is not sufficient--see WP:WikiProject Military history/Notability guide The sources  for this one are particularly week  DGG ( talk ) 16:23, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:30, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete fails #1 of WP:SOLDIER and scant references given for #2, in any event WP:SOLDIER is just a presumption of notability and he fails WP:GNG. Mztourist (talk) 03:19, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep I just comprehensively showed that an Indian brigadier with an MVC (Narinder Singh Sandhu) met the GNG (brigadiers are line-ball for SOLDIER, so it isn't as clear-cut as you suggest), and many of the same reliable sources used to expand Sandhu will no doubt be able to be used to expand this article. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 11:19, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Each has to meet his own WP:SIGCOV to meet WP:GNG. Mztourist (talk) 13:44, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. As a brigadier, very clearly meets WP:SOLDIER. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:00, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * As I keep saying, WP:SOLDIER is just a presumption of notability, they still have to satisfy WP:GNG and he doesn't Mztourist (talk) 13:42, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Exactly. It's a presumption of notability! I can't honestly recall any officer of this rank ever being deleted at AfD. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:26, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * To quote from WP:SOLDIER "In general, an individual is presumed to be notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple verifiable independent, reliable sources. It is presumed that individuals will almost always have sufficient coverage to qualify if they: ...", so even if they meet one of the 6 heads, if they don't have WP:SIGCOV, they don't meet WP:GNG. He doesn't have SIGCOV, so fails and should be deleted. Mztourist (talk) 06:02, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I have now reliably sourced the entire article. He clearly meets the GNG and this should be closed as keep. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:51, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep "Brigadier" should meet WP:NSOLDIER#2, plus there is the Mahavir Chakra (though not enough for #1), article is well-written, likely satisfies WP:GNG outright. To the discussion, I have to add—The purpose of presumption of notability is to keep and let develop articles on subjects showing enough merit to allow us to presume that they would surely meet WP:GNG when we finally finish collating all the sources, online and offline. If we deleted articles that didn't meet GNG because SNGs only provide for presumption, there would be no point in having the SNGs in the first place. Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:23, 21 July 2020 (UTC)


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