Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Viktor Sotnikov (serial killer)


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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) SST  flyer  02:18, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Viktor Sotnikov (serial killer)

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May not pass notability. Search results show other people with the same name. Captain Spark (talk) 06:50, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
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 * Keep - The references already in the article seem reliable and include significant coverage. A google news search of his name in Russian (Виктора Сотникова) and some help from google translate seems to show coverage in multiple news sites; enough to meet WP:GNG. Sarahj2107 (talk) 11:46, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Google news 1 and 2 ? Captain Spark (talk) 13:14, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
 * "Виктора Сотникова" (with quotation marks). Sarahj2107 (talk) 13:43, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - references are reliable and significant. per WP:GNG,BabbaQ (talk) 15:07, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete for several reasons. Among them the text: "Since childhood, characterized by cruelty. As a boy, he hung his dog. Constantly beating her sister and parents. Growing up, he began to sell moonshine. Two women accused him of rape, but he hushed up the matter by paying them. Later, he was constantly beaten by his mistress."  A remarkable series of assertions, with little hope for improvement since the only sources I can find are in Russian.  This may be suitable for the Russian version of WP. where someone can validate the claims being made. But I see no evidence that subject is notable outside Russia.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:46, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Funny logic. As it is to carry 90 per cent of articles on the personalities of Russia (athletes, actors, singers, artists, the same serial killer), because they are outside of Russia little known. However, the same applies to personalities from other countries.--Кориоланыч (talk) 22:24, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
 * It's unusual to keep articles on crimes/criminals that lack English sourcing on the English WP.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:41, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not seeing anything in WP:BLP of Verifiability that says articles about crime/criminals have to have english sources. Verifiability states that non-english sources are allowed and makes no mention of exceptions; it does say that a translation of the relevant part of the source can be requested which would be easy to do as there are editors here who speak Russian. Sarahj2107 (talk) 07:57, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Non-Russian speakers need some way to assess notability. For example, typing the url of a news source into the Wikipedia search box usually produces a page describing the news source (lemonde.fr takes you to Le Monde.  But when I keyed lipetskmedia.ru into Wikipedia I got nothing ,  What are these sources:   ,     Sources # 1 & 2 did come up, lenta.ru, NEWSru, but even in an article about a criminal in the Anglosphere, this would be inadequate.  Maybe bring some Russian-speakers to thei AFD, since I don't see how a non-Russian speaker can argue that this badly written, poorly sourced article establishes notability, even though this convicted murderer may be notable.E.M.Gregory (talk) 13:57, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * It's the sources available that matter, not just the ones that are currently in the article. Also the reliability of a source is not based on whether or not it has a page on Wikipedia. Sarahj2107 (talk) 14:07, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Sarahj, We seem to have different perspectives. Your iVote: " A google news search of his name in Russian (Виктора Сотникова) and some help from google translate seems to show coverage in multiple news sites" to me reveals notability problems that may be insuperable for non-Russian speakers. 1.) google translate is just not all that reliable (I've tried using it in languages I actually know). 2.) We need to know what the Russian sources are that "seem to show" notability. 3.) A google news search on his name in Russian  produced a mere 10 sources, many of which are from media outlets unfamiliar to me.  I just don't/can't know enough to judge this man notable.  Hoping for more evidence.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:01, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   10:43, 16 March 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Speedy delete This article presents poorly sourced, negative, and contentious content about a living person, so it shoud be speedy deleted. Ethanlu121 (talk) 15:52, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. Serial killer convicted of eight murders. Of course he's notable. The fact the sources are in Russian is utterly irrelevant. Translating online sources is easy enough. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:50, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   12:47, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per the above reasons.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 19:35, 24 March 2016 (UTC)


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