Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Village of Martinsville


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete and redirect to Martinsville, Virginia. Black Kite (talk) 15:16, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Village of Martinsville

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The page doesn't seem to meet WP:N guidelines. It has many citations to local sources, but all seem to be local news sources that only talk about businesses opening or closing at this apparently unremarkable small-town shopping center. Sleddog116 (talk) 19:44, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Virginia-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 19:55, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Shopping malls-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 20:17, 12 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep, unless there is a plausible merge target. Appears to have ample independent coverage. Notability is not remarkability. On a broader point, notability is expressly about how information should be organized on the wiki (i.e. what gets its own article vs. being addressed within a broader article), not whether it should be included at all. The real problem seems to be that, here as in so many other parts of the project, we are missing multiple important links in the topical chain. For example, this would merge nicely into Retail in Martinsville, Virginia or Commercial real estate in Martinsville, Virginia. But until articles on those important and indisputably notable topics are created, I see no reason to delete this one, which has clearly benefited from thoughtful and conscientious editing over many years. -- Visviva (talk) 21:16, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I just don't see this as passing muster on WP:INDISCRIMINATE (I guess here we're approaching the matter from the classic mill vs. snowflake debate), but I can see the thoughtful editing. I wonder if it might be worthwhile to, instead of outright deleting this information, merge its contents with Martinsville, Virginia? I'm not entrenched in deleting it altogether - I just don't see any good reason for it to have its own article.  Martinsville is not a large city, so the "Retail in" articles you proposed would likely not be necessary when that information could instead just be included in sections of Martinsville's page. Sleddog116 (talk) 21:32, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep, this is exactly the level of coverage determined sufficient to establish notability for a shopping mall. Notability is not "remarkability", and notability is not temporary. There's enough here that a merge would be unwarranted. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 22:27, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 04:02, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * delete shopping centers and malls are not taken as notable by default, and what we have here is routine local coverage, exactly what one would expect. Mangoe (talk) 04:19, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * So I guess every single news article covered in Colonial Plaza is also "routine"? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 09:20, 20 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete What a couple of run of the mill retail buildings. All local coverage with local audience, routine local business news, just as they cover the Coach's Restaurant down the street. Many Kroger groceries and OfficeMax and Marshalls stores are stand-alone buildings, I don't see why it's suddenly notable that they share a roof here. This is a strip mall, Shopping mall (under 350,000 sqft), or small Shopping mall, an ode to the great American parking lot, rather than a perhaps more notable regional or superregional center. This appears to be the smallest of all the malls linked in the navbox by a decent margin. Reywas92Talk 09:10, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * In what place in all that tl;dr do you have a policy based argument? Your argument is "it's not notable because I say it's not notable" and "it's too small". I wasn't aware size was a factor in whether or not anything is notable. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 09:20, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Fails WP:NCORP (yes, a mall is a corporate organization) and WP:NBUILD on account of all coverage being local and routine. It's absolutely indiscriminate to have articles on small WP:COOKIECUTTER shopping centers. You know damn well the difference between this and the much larger and older mall in Florida, with a wider audience and yes more dedicated coverage like and  rather than just routine announcements of openings and closings. Wikipedia does not need an article on just any generic place where you can get your food, shoes, and gold clubs in one trip. Reywas92Talk 09:48, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:COOKIECUTTER is not policy. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 19:38, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Enough sourcing to justify article. Article overall does need a re-write and sourcing improvements. Esw01407 (talk) 16:21, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete All of the cited articles are local in coverage and many of them mention Martinsville only in passing. For instance, "Belk celebrates 125 years in business" is about the store and only briefly mentions the mall as its current location; article would be essentially unchanged if the store was located somewhere else. Several other articles are of the same nature--a store is opening/closing/renaming and by the way, it happens to be located at the local mall. Glendoremus (talk) 23:13, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, per WP:N: notable topics are those which have gained sufficiently significant attention by the world at large and over a period of time (bold for emphasis). In the absence of any non-local coverage, there is insufficient indication that this topic meets the criteria of significant attention by the world at large. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 21:37, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV. Most of the coverage here is routine press releases of store openings and closures and is not really about the Village of Martinsville itself but about the individual stores. Notability is not inherited, and these articles are mainly just tangentially related to the mall. Those articles about the mall itself fail the sourcing requirements at WP:AUD.4meter4 (talk) 01:58, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per . The coverages are WP:ROUTINE. KartikeyaS343 (talk) 06:25, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The9Man  &#124; (talk) 18:14, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment, although article has numerous sources they appear to be mentions/routine/local ie. rebuilds/various tenants coming and going, where are the sources that lifts this mall above the day-to-day reporting, such as these, that all shopping centers receive? that said it may be useful to have a "redirect/merge" to a facilities section of Martinsville, Virginia? Coolabahapple (talk) 02:46, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge with Martinsville, Virginia. This is an example of a notable phenomena, the contraction of shopping malls in the US, but there is no reason to have this information in a separate article. Merging it into the article I linked would improve that article by explaining how this phenomenon effects the larger community. - llywrch (talk) 16:47, 10 March 2020 (UTC)


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